Hillary: Hi, Jenny. Jenny: Hi, Hillary. Hillary: How are you? Jenny: I'm doing pretty good. Anytime I get to binge new U2 songs, I'm in a pretty good place. Hillary: You know, I knew that because firstly, text 269 times a day. And you know, we were just talking for like 15 minutes before we started the podcast. So ⁓ I she's okay. She's fine. ⁓ She's to a binge. Jenny: I know. I know. But also, we're going to be talking about the songs, we haven't talked about the songs. Hillary: No, we haven't. We haven't. I have weird notes. They don't... They're weird. Everything's weird. Today is Sunday. Nope. Nope, it's not. Today's... Today's Monday, April 6th, 2026 if you're listening. It's on or after Wednesday, April 8th. This is season 8, episode 13. Jenny: Nope. and you're listening to Kissing Lips and Breaking Hearts with the Garden Tarts, if you have not yet hit that subscribe button, please do for us on whatever are watching or listening to this episode on. And today we're gonna talk about Easter Lily. Hillary: much. Jenny: a lot of you watched or listened to our reaction. special breaking news ep that we did on Friday morning. Yeah. Good Friday, midnight. Super early. And man, you'll have a lot to say too about these songs. And we've really had a chance. I mean, it's been Friday, Saturday, Sunday, four days. if diving into them, which means we have a lot more to go. Hillary: Yeah, When I looked at our little videos, our little clips, I was just like, poor Hillary, she's so tired. I don't know how- I you know, the thing is that I generally do stay up really really late, but I don't have to do anything. I don't have like use my mind. I can just watch a nonsense or, you know, and- Jenny: It was so late. No, and you've just been at Seder, like, engaging people and eating and drinking and Hillary: Yes. I mean, yeah. And dry. mean, it's not that far, but an hour and a half. I drove up there that morning and I had to drive another hour and a half back Friday, which was just, ⁓ God, I just love my bed. I for someone who loves to travel so much. I do really love my bed. Jenny: I do find that no matter how amazing a bed is, a vacation spot, could be the best hotel bed ever, ever, ever. There's nothing like coming home to your own bed. Nothing. Hillary: No, the best, I mean, it's not the same thing with the best bed I have ever slept in was in Omaha. ⁓ bed was so comfortable pillow top and fancy really cool. Okay. ⁓ Jenny: Omaha, Amazing bed. Okay. Easter Lily, do you wanna start? Hillary: Yeah, so there's a lot to unpack with this episode. of Ash was just kind of all hanging out there. But with Easter Lily you gotta work for it. I mean, If just listen and don't work for it, it's probably not about what you think it is. so there's a lot to unpack with this episode. Days Ash was just kind of all hanging out there. But with Easter Lily you gotta work for it. I mean, If you listen and don't work for it, it's probably not about what you think it is. Jenny: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hillary: That's what I have to say. That's what I have to say. Jenny: Yeah, and even the first few times you listen to it and you think it is what you think it is, it's more. Yeah, and even the first few times you listen to it and you think it is what you think it is, it's more. Hillary: Yep. Yeah. So. ⁓ Yep. Yeah. So. ⁓ Jenny: At one point you texted me today and you were like, was a lot to unpack. At one point you texted me today and you were like, was a lot to unpack. Hillary: ⁓ my god. had a really hard time with this. I also, haven't listened to the songs ⁓ as much as had for Days of Ash. And again, I think that those just are what they are. can take it at face value. And these, again, you have to work And then you have for this, you know, kind of have to work for it. ⁓ my god. had a really hard time with this. I also, haven't listened to the songs ⁓ as much as had for Days of Ash. And again, I think that those just are what they are. can take it at face value. And these, again, you have to work And then you have for this, you know, kind of have to work for it. And I am... Jenny: Right, and they tell us what they are, yeah. Right, and they tell us what they are, yeah. Hillary: unfamiliar with Christian stuff. I mean, I really am. I'm Jewish. I was raised Jewish. I went to Hebrew day school and then public school as well. But the I know Christianity, I learned from U2 and maybe Dan Brown, but I don't believe I don't believe any of that stuff. So, It's hard. This has been really hard for me to dig into. Jenny: Yeah, there's a lot. I also, I grew up Jewish, but not practicing a completely religious-less household. And I don't mean that like in a depraved way. It just wasn't something that was part of our lives. Sometime in middle school, we read like a middle school version of the Bible, like as literature. So I had Hillary: of the New Testament. Jenny: It was like a school book. actually don't remember what it was, but it was meant for seventh graders to read. Like it was big words and pictures and read it in English class as if it as a book of literature as opposed to history ⁓ religion or anything like that. So this is a lot and some of it hits really hard. ⁓ Hillary: Okay, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Jenny: I, when we first listened to it, which you all watched us do, there stuff that I instantly knew hit me and there was stuff I was like, I need to listen to that more. And there was stuff that I was like, maybe that's not for me. in the last two days of I has been digging into this and taking notes, I'm obsessed with everything, like obsessed I'm so excited talk about it. Hillary: Okay. Jenny: for all the reasons. I want to put this out there real quick too. And, Garden Tart Amanda said to us today, and I think I'm, these aren't her exact words, but the consensus of us was that we all, we, the fandom and the band, we all needed Days of Ash We needed to be f*cking angry. And then we all needed this. ⁓ We to be in our, need to be in our feelings, you know, Hillary: Yep, absolutely. Jenny: don't know. We need so much love right now. It's crazy. and community. Hillary: a friend of mine, a random friend that I made in Newport News, he's a big U2 fan, when he started he sent a text that I just, I had to repeat it. Joe gave me permission to repeat it. He says, it's unspeakably beautiful. You're not supposed to be this good in your 60s. And I just, I love that. Jenny: Right. Hillary: way he said that, unspeakably. Jenny: did read Jackknife Lee's article in Propaganda? ⁓ It's great, really great and talks about some of the process of this and how he worked with each band member stuff and it was just a great insight into it and he talked about how single thing and every single song is absolutely deliberate, like less is more. There's no overdubbing, there's none of that, like everything. Hillary: I don't think I got that far. Jenny: has an exact reason for why it's there. I know, it just... is some damn good art. This is so good. Okay. So we do the first track. Hillary: Yes, So the first song is Song for Hal. It's about a friend of the band's, Hal Willner, who, died early on with COVID. and, it's, it's very heartfelt. And like, I have friend who, messaged me and he said that ⁓ he felt like it was a little ⁓ like too personal almost. this was just feelings that we didn't need to be a part of. ⁓ Which is a huge thing that we will talk about later this year when talk about Songs of Innocence. But I thought that was interesting. first few seconds I just kept saying sounds weird. ⁓ Jenny: Okay. I was like, what is Bono doing with his voice? What is... Where is this going? Hillary: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was so weird, but then like it hit me. like if you watch the video, you can almost see the light bulb. Like it's just so obvious when I figure it out and when Jenny figures it out. ⁓ if you're. Yeah, it's a clip, so if you only listen and you don't watch like on YouTube or anything, there is in our socials, there is a clip. Jenny: Yeah, we were like five seconds apart. Yeah. Hillary: It's really funny. Like I've watched a couple times like it's just really funny. So the guitar is so very Edge like there, know, there are just times where you hear him You hear a song and you know it's Edge and I kind of that I Wasn't always like right on top of everything like if there's a song released I'm gonna know about it Like that's not something that's going to accidentally happen, but it would be really cool to like be in the grocery store or hear on your non XM radio and be like, that's Edge. ⁓ Yeah. So, yeah, but the, there's, there's something about sound ⁓ and there's a I know you guys, I don't like No Line On The Horizon, but Jenny: Right. Right? Hillary: The beginning of this has something that sounds like something on No Line On The Horizon. And I like it. a great sound. so. ⁓ Jenny: Yeah. People are hearing all kinds of albums in this, but that's definitely one that's been mentioned. Yeah. Hillary: Yeah. I played my Song for Hal and she really like several, said this to me several since she first it that Edge has a better voice than Bonobai like a lot. And I kind I'm not just crediting her or Edge, but When you have a rock band, that's what I want, a rock band. I that's, I ⁓ you know, all the trying to go in different places, that's but in my heart, I am 100 % rock and that's what I need to survive. But I Edge's is maybe a little too tranquil for a whole rock album. Like Bono's got that in his voice, the gravelly. Jenny: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hillary: voice that you know has been places and will go places and whatever voice is just kind of like sweet and that's you know this song is sweet and beautiful so my last note about it is so Willner again he died from covid and he died at home instead of being in a hospital where you can't have visitors or anything and you just die alone Jenny: I mean. Hillary: And so, you know, it's very, I think it's, mean, I'm sure as a friend, it's gotta be ⁓ reassuring that was with loved ones when he passed away. Jenny: Yeah, so much so. gosh, Edge's voice. I you we heard it, there's Seconds and there's New Year's Day and there's, you know, we heard him on the B stage at Pop Mart and there's those magical and like Miracle Drug. Miracle Drug is close, but just such a short snippet, but Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: We've never heard the power in his voice like this. he wrote this Bono would sing it. And you can hear that in like the melody and the note change, like the falsettos and the ups and downs. And he said in that Bono was like, no, and this is for you. Like, that's not a quote, but he Edge to sing it. And... Hillary: Mm-mm. idea. Jenny: But he also sounds so comfortable. You know what I mean? Like, his voice is going places we haven't heard and it doesn't sound like... Hillary: It does. Jenny: I don't know, it sounds natural. Hillary: Yeah, it really does. so impressive. Jenny: It's so great. It's It's just an amazing tribute. if end up playing it live, it's going to be gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous. And yeah, being in the feelings of someone else's feelings that you don't need to be in. Yes, but also... ⁓ Hillary: Absolutely Yeah. Jenny: Are there many U2 songs that aren't feelings we shouldn't be? Hillary: Yeah, I mean, I absolutely got that. Jenny: right? When you actually learn what's in the songs. Hillary: Right, but there are a few that are just like overtly personal that I don't wanna. Jenny: Right. You're like, no, I, that was not a place I'm comfortable sitting in. Yeah. And Gavin Friday, who did work with him too, does a lovely tribute for him in Propaganda. And he talks about how people like him and how they grew up being tweens. I don't know if they were tween back then, but they felt so alone in the world because... Hillary: I don't need to know. I want to know. Yeah. Jenny: They felt alone until they found music. And when they found music, they found their community. there's so and he's alluding to like Edge's so much as like you're not alone when one's there. Like there's there's music in community out there for you. Like you'll never be alone when you're in this world, which is just. Or just. Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: Ugh, no. Hillary: But know what I mean? I kind of feel like if you are in... the U2 fandom, you always say that because there's always somebody who will help you out with what we do. Jenny: Yeah. Yeah. That is what we do. Okay. Well, thank you Edge for Song for Hal, and thank you for Bono for telling him to sing it. And my God, we are gonna talk about this more, but Adam and Larry carry this entire EP. Hillary: Yeah. ⁓ my gosh, yeah, have a to say about that too. Jenny: Yeah, so we'll get into that in the next songs. Okay, we swipe in. Hillary: Yep. Song two. Jenny: Song two In A Life Edge's favorite U2 song in years, said. this song. I know how I love song. ⁓ I Hillary: I like- I do too. Jenny: I had a vibe about it, but it wasn't until watching the lyric video when it's all pictures of the band and their friends and some family and stuff from the old days and I'm like, I think this is the first time they've written a love letter to each other. Hillary: ⁓ what a- ⁓ that's really nice. Yeah. Jenny: Right? it's really honoring their ⁓ but also like the people that were with them on that journey. I also, the song first started, I was like, we've been here before. This feels like home. ⁓ And I it's City of Blinding Lights. A lot of people have made that connection. The chiming ⁓ and, ⁓ and know I love a U2 song that feels like a train that's like running down the track. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny: This is full speed ahead. ⁓ it's gorgeous. Hillary: I love this song and I love that the line, you're kicking in the pricks. ⁓ Jenny: Mm-hmm. So very Irish of them This I didn't figure this out someone else pointed this out, but the I'll meet you that's Ahimsa The song, a Ahimsa is all I'll meet you. is a much better version. This can replace that. I also think that this should be a duet. Hillary: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jenny: This is like an Island in the Streams duet Hillary: Yeah. ⁓ Jenny: I'll meet you in the air, I'll meet you with the fair on the underground wherever you be there. I'll meet you there, meet you with like, listen to it as if like every four lines they're going back and forth. It's a duet. It's Bono and Edge. It's a love duet. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so this song, like we've been saying, is about friendship and the lengths that go to, the that you catch. ⁓ Jenny: Yeah. Hillary: for each other. Occasionally you can see yourself through the eyes of your friends. That's a good feeling for me. I don't know about everybody else, but I think my friends love me and that comes off from them. Yeah, so it happens, this happens when you have milestones like celebrations or tragedies or even you know, having a friend that knows what you're gonna, what you would order at a restaurant or what would be, you know, your favorite song or a quote or something. Or when you have a friend that, you know, knows when you're sad, that can recognize that. And I feel like that's what, that's what a lot of this ⁓ It's the same thing. But like, I had a friend Jenny: Mm-hmm. Hillary: who lived near me for a really long time and he moved away and he had a going away party and like nobody showed up. mean like five people showed up. I don't know how many were invited but a lot. He all this food and everything and he was like you know it feels this is one of those times where it feels like you're going to your own funeral. You see what you mean to people and then you know he was an asshole so that reflected. Jenny: young. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hillary: on the fact that he couldn't get people to visit his, know, to come and say bye. Yeah. So anyway, I love this song. This song is just... Jenny: Right. I love the line, I'll meet you when you don't care. That's friendship, really showing up. I also love that refrain that I never achieved anything on my own. that life? Even you said, the most successful people in the world, they didn't do that Yeah. Hillary: gorgeous Yeah. No, no. Jenny: no matter how hard they worked to get where they are, whoever that may be, they weren't alone. They had people. says this too, that he cannot wait to play this live, and I cannot wait. And Larry, my God, Larry. Jackknife talks about working with him in the studio and how because of his surgery and stuff, he's having to learn new techniques and new ways to play and that it's a me like he's going places that Jackknife Lee had never seen. It's absolutely and he's just completely every time he comes the studio, he completely changes a song. With drumming, it's not a place they knew a song could go. So, well, I'm glad that the band has a good friendship because ⁓ brought us our friendship. Hillary: No, yeah. It has. And you you look at a whole lot of bands and they do not have... They do not have that friendship. I mean, like, so bad that they break up instead of, know, dealing with each other, which is just... Ridiculous. I mean, that's a lot of money and fame and everything just going down the drain. So they must really, really not like each other. I mean, other bands. Jenny: Right. Yeah. Right. You know, this is a pretty unique situation, sure. In A I'm glad you exist. ⁓ Hillary: yep, yep. ⁓ number three is Scars The vocals, pronunciation in this, it's really and I'll get to that in a second. ⁓ So ⁓ really But when the line, the of your were kicked open, Jenny: It's really interesting, yeah. Hillary: you're leaving history far behind. Something about that, the way he says it, it feels like it's like an movie soundtrack. And I can't tell you why, but that's very much how I feel. Like seeing St. Elmo's Fire or something. Jenny: Right, one of these, yeah. I put what, literally with that part, I said whatever treatment or whatever Bono's doing with his voice, it's like very cool. But yeah, it's, but that's, And this one, Edge said, that he didn't want this one to be, come off as sentimental, so they made it really rough. And it. Hillary: Yeah, very. Jenny: grabs from a whole bunch of their early influences and from some of their earlier music. But yeah, like an ⁓ movie. ⁓ hear what you're saying. Hillary: Yeah, like the one came to my mind, yeah, was like St. Elmo's Fire. ⁓ Jenny: But there is, there is something it sounds like. Hillary: Yeah. It's not the song though. It's like the pronunciation and stuff, I think. Yeah. Okay. So my first note I took was right on Adam and Larry. Holy crap. The boys are back. mean, yeah, this, oh my God. Like you said, this album belongs to them. It's, I mean... Jenny: It's Bono. I mean, boys are f*cking back. Hillary: It just makes me to cry. It makes me so happy. I love it. For them to sound so close, so embedded in each other's sound, it's wonderful to hear. We went to Sphere and Bram was great. He was fine. But he, there's an energy that Larry has that Bram just not. I mean, he had a and stuff, which. ⁓ Jenny: But, ⁓ he was great. And I bet you he like hit every note or whatever you call them in drums probably perfectly. Like, he sounded amazing, but it's not the same. It wasn't meant to be, Hillary: Yeah. Yeah, it was not the same. I mean, like at first I was like, not sure. like, I mean, the music sounds fine. But then like, I think the second show that I saw, really hit me. that's not, it's not the same thing. Okay. obviously this song somewhat about Jesus, but ⁓ But it also feels it's maybe about the orange fucker a little bit when he says when the town hall cries for someone to blame making laws out of lies and robes out of shame. Jenny: Well, so is my impression that that is Jesus's as a metaphor for what we are experiencing in this world, because that whole verse before that, I'm the last of your loves, the loser of the least on the name of the form that demands your release, like that whole thing. To me, that's the of Jesus. And then ⁓ it comes into like that ⁓ Like whole crucifixion of Jesus is about like power and greed and using religion for persecution. ⁓ I do think he is talking about. Hillary: spring. Jenny: Jesus, but it into modern day. just whole, I will say, as long as is religion, there will be war. Hillary: Yep. totally right about that. Jenny: And it's less about the religion and more about power. The war. Hillary: Scars so Bono says don't cover your scars, they're your scars. And I think that's really, really interesting because I mean, like somebody who's actually like known for his scar, you know, not known for that, but it's very visible. Jenny: Yeah, but can you think of a bigger scar that he has? Hillary: ⁓ yeah, God, didn't even think about it. Yeah. I didn't even, I don't know why, but I didn't even go there with that. ⁓ Jenny: kicking your heart right open. I think that's this song did nothing for me when we first listened to it. And every time I listened to it, I'm getting more and more and more interesting things. But the whole the doors of your heart were kicked open. Like Hillary: you Wow, I didn't even catch that. Good job. Jenny: And he also in Song for Someone talks about his Yeah, scars from where he's been. But yeah, I think that's his chest. So when Edge says they don't want to get sentimental about things, I think they were trying to keep it not personal. Hillary: I have that in my notes too. I have that in my notes. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. But I mean, like, so literally or figuratively, nobody wants scars, but we get them and maybe there's a lesson learned. this really, I don't know why this this sat with me for a while, just scars and what they mean and everything. So I think I've mentioned this before, but ages ago, I was getting my eyebrows waxed and the Aesthetician said, you have a chicken pox scar on your eye. And I'm like, I don't think I do. And never saw, and this was 15 years ago or something. I remember that she said that. I never noticed it until we started our podcast, because it was right here. ⁓ And. I didn't notice like. Jenny: Yeah. Yeah. That's so crazy. I remember you mentioning it to me a while ago. Hillary: I didn't notice it. And then with the light and everything, I notice it here. And then I'm just saying, I have scars that, literal scars that kind of do mean stuff to I had a mole on my arm and I didn't like it. And so my doctor said, tell me that it's changed. And I said, it's changed. She's like, here you go. And so scar is far than the was. ⁓ mean, like worse. And I'm just like, well, that was stupid. I didn't know, but it was, ⁓ I should have it. And then, I don't I guess processing this song, but last night I just was thinking about scars and I have this scar on my knee. Jenny: Right? Mm-hmm. Hillary: that had to happen, I don't know, before second grade. And I was at the pool and I was little. And you know those like things that you dive into you're like on the swim team? It was a little, you know, it's like two steps. Yes. Well, they, you know, they only had them by the pool when it was swim team time. Jenny: Any time off of? Yeah, OK, yeah. Mm-hmm. Hillary: and I was little so I would use it as my like get sun I'd lay out in the sun on those things and one day I got up and they these little ⁓ they these little like metal things saying you know lane one lane two whatever and I've been out there and the sun was like a thousand degrees and I hit my leg on that metal thing and it burned and I Jenny: Yeah Yeah. ⁓ my gosh. Hillary: will have a scar from that. I remember that and I'm not I'm, I'm maybe not getting to point, but I feel like you do want to, you know, you don't, that's a thing you don't want to cover up your scars because what's underneath it might be worse than ⁓ Jenny: Yeah. When I first, right, my first few listens of this, all I could think of was that Scars to Your Beautiful, which is a song from a few years ago. Alessia Cara, I think is her name. But anyway, I got over that now. But I do, I, this was a, I'm not like, dead. Big scar that I actually did cover up, but purposefully and honoring the scar. Hillary: you Yeah. Jenny: not to necessarily hide it. That's just how the art went. I was like, cover my scar, but it's okay. I don't deny it. Hillary: Okay, yeah. Jenny: for a minute. ⁓ Hillary: Okay. Jenny: That verse where I mentioned before the, I'm the last of your loves, I'm the silence when you grieve, I'll keep you company if you don't believe that it's me. Part me is like, okay, he's acknowledging that there are people who don't believe. And then I was like, this to me is when. someone says, don't worry, God loves you anyway. Even if you don't believe in God. You ever heard that like? Hillary: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jenny: And they're like, don't worry, even if you don't believe in him, he believes in you. And I'm like, you're not hearing me. Hillary: No, no, no, no. Jenny: And that this to me, that I in my heart that this is not the intention of that. But this to me a little bit is like, even if you don't believe that it's me, I'm like. Yeah, I feel like you kind of believe or you don't. Anyway, then he gets into the whole the town hall cries for someone to blame. I'm like, OK, redemption. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yep, yep, one of those lines that the Bono says his intonation, his cadence, one that's is you, doors of your heart were kicked open. ⁓ That line also sounds him. Like, I mean, it's... Jenny: redemption for some of the fucked up stuff. Yeah. No, it's. Hillary: Usually, and have, I've talked about this before, but the way that their lyrics go, If you listen to I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For, the- it's- the word that he enunciates is not- where you would think it would be. Like, like it's, I don't know how else to say it, but I mean, I hear it every time I hear that song. I feel like you would have, I've climbed the highest mountains only to be with you. And the way that he chops it up. That's not the way your brain goes. ⁓ to chop up a song. And I love that. I love that it's not, you know, it's not the predictable way of enunciating or breaking up a lyric like that. And so the one for this, mean, I just, I love it. This is actually my favorite song, believe it or not, ⁓ Jenny: We've, yeah. It's... It's... Is it? Interesting. mean, that's great. I can't believe how uninterested I was in the beginning. I just feel like I'm pulling away the layers of an onion or something. I just... I just feel like... Hillary: I have that in my notes too! Jenny: It's great. Like it's exciting. I love it. I love it so much. And I and also in the beginning, I was like, oh, that's a tricky Jesus song. The tricky Jesus song, I would almost like like the straight out Jesus song than being tricky Jesus. But yeah. This song's a winner. It's a winner. Hillary: Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. I might, you know, you ask me in five minutes, I could possibly change my mind. This not like a, all I want is you is my all time favorite U2 song. And it's, know, like that's not changing. It's been like this for 30 years or more. yeah, it's, it will change. Cause really do think that, Jenny: but in this context, these six songs. Hillary: I I go back and forth between scars and In A Life. Yeah. Okay. Next. Jenny: Number four, Resurrection Song, my brain goes Redemption Song. and actually makes me realize if it's kind of a, but I don't know, I feel like it's kind of a wording tribute. I don't know. This also kind of has similar city of blinding lights chimes. This is my favorite song on the album. whatever formula use for this type of U2 song is, Hillary: That's not the same thing. Yeah. Jenny: This one even more than In A Life. This one's the train speeding forward like a million miles a minute Edge says it is a road trip Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: So, like I did like some research on this. this, is The my body's reaction to this song is absolutely and learning more about it. It's just been great. you listen to us, if you know me, you that we are, we are not Jesus people, nor do we strive to So when I heard there was a song called Resurrection Song i was like here we go Hillary: you Jenny: ⁓ my god. But then I read Edge said on Propaganda that the the death and resurrection show is like a showbiz thing. And I'm like, well, don't leave it there. He's like, it's poking fun at ourselves. I'm like, well, I have to look that up. ⁓ Hillary: Right. you Jenny: So the Death and Resurrection show, From Shaman to Superstar, a 1985 book by Dr. Rogan Taylor. And says, it argues that entertainers are modern versions of shamans who perform death and resurrection, rituals to or entertain tribes with today's superstar providing similar communal catharsis. Hillary: interesting. Jenny: So I see how is a jab at themselves saying that they're the death and resurrection, you know? But that was a cool little thing. ⁓ I like I learned something new there. And also very more religious phrasing, kind of religious phrasing than Jesusy. And I am a fan of Hillary: Yeah, very cool. Yeah. Jenny: of crazy the bumper stickers can be. ⁓ I have a friend who is actually quite religious and a of Jesus that we will just send each other pictures of bumper stickers are just. Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: I mean, bumper sticker religion. Go for it. Hillary: So I have interrupt you for a second to just say this about the ⁓ said it's bumper sticker Christianity. So my brother works in politics and says the time lawn signs don't you can have a neighborhood just plastered with signs and that's it doesn't show one way or other. not it's not an accurate. you know, poll, you can't do that. And that's what this reminds me of. Like you can put all the stickers. You can put all the Jesusy not any religion, you put all the religious stickers you want on a car. ⁓ Jenny: That's great. That's great. Yeah. Christianity just has a much bigger marketing team. Hillary: Yeah. I mean, isn't going to save you. It's not going to, make you a good person by having a bumper sticker on your car like that. anyway, just like the yard signs don't vote, the bumper stickers don't make you pious. ⁓ Jenny: So much so. I could listen to this song all day long. Every time it comes on, I just light Again, it's chemistry, science, it's whatever. The accumulation of these things all together and in my ears, amazing. I also, it wasn't many eps where we were talking about Hillary: Yeah, right. Jenny: Like younger people are so much better at telling their friends, love you. Right? And how like you and I, I know that we're much better about it. Like I'm really deliberate about it with friends and I love the lines, love extravagantly and without regret. ⁓ there's anything better, I've not heard yet. And I just, I, me, ⁓ you know, love extravagantly regret. I just. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. home. Jenny: To me that's like openly, like love in a way that people know that you're loving. Be free about it, I love that. Edge says that the original song title was, Til Death Dies And he said, bumper stickers are better than others. ⁓ Hillary: Yeah. That's so funny. So clip that we have of our unboxing ⁓ was that, where you can go to hell together. And we kind of laughed because, I mean, if I'm going to hell, I'm taking you with me. ⁓ Jenny: ⁓ was funny Mm-hmm. ⁓ you better save me seated at the bar or I've got one for you. Hillary: And I feel like, you know, with I know. I wish that he had said, we could go to hell together or something. Like, you can come on too, Bono! ⁓ Yeah. Jenny: Right? But let's go! Well, I mean, what did someone, what was some conversation you had once? Because the Jewish religion does not have a hell. Hillary: Right, so this is one of the funniest things I've in ages, really quickly, have friend who works in forensics ⁓ and she texts me day and said she had a crime scene at the mall. And I said, can you get me a pretzel? ⁓ And she said, what Anyway, so everyone I told that to has like laughed hysterically. And I was out one night with Garden Tart- adjacent, Lauren, and went to hear this guy, he's amazing, talked him before, he's a Jewish country singer, and he was playing this bar, so we went. And I told them the and they both were like, and I'm like, I know, I'm going to hell. And stepped in and said, you know, no hell in Judaism. Like, you go and talk about hell, there's not a hell. And I'm like, yeah. And he was like, so you're going to Christian hell. it was tough. mean, his timing and everything, it was the funniest thing I've heard in ages and ages and ages. I mean, just that was amazing. Anyway, so we can all go to Christian hell. Yeah. Jenny: Yeah, so the rest of you go to hell. We'll see you there. Hillary: have a few little things. So like I mentioned, everything I know about Christianity, I learned from U2 And I'm not kidding when I say that. But I think the purpose of Bibles aren't to like study questionable history. a that can use its suggestions to aim you in the right direction. And it's just like in the Constitution, there's like loose and strict ⁓ interpretations of the Constitution. And it's the same way with the Bible. ⁓ I ⁓ can read it and say, historically this happened, which to me questionable. But you can see, like, is what I can pull from This is what can help me. And I think that a lot of people don't do that. Like, I don't think that I think that people just like dive right in. Like this is this is not not a suggestion. It's an order. This is how I should my life. ⁓ Also, people don't generally live their life like that. but that's what I get from just the Bible general. OK, so my next thing ⁓ is. ⁓ Jenny: Why would I real quick ago with that is that there's something in a later song. mentioned something from the Bible and says that no one actually saw it. It's a story being told, no one actually saw it, but we'll get there. Yeah. Hillary: Yeah. my take on the Bible is it's like a morality play. It's like, you know, Hansel and Gretel, like, don't be greedy and eat the house of a witch. you know, like there's you should learn from And I feel like, yeah, and I feel like that's what you should take from it. You know, I don't know that I do, but I mean, that's... Jenny: She will eat you. Hillary: That's, feel like that's a good reason Bibles are there is, you know, to teach you, you know, the So this is, this was absolutely crazy. The line, break rhyme. We could the day in bed. Your line. We're going to get the hungry bread. So that's like blocking. That's like a play or something. It's blocking, you your life and break, rhyme And I just, find that I've never heard of anything like that before. Bono. Jenny: Right. I didn't think about that, yeah. Hillary: Yeah, to me it's blocking. It's like, is go here or walk across the stage or whatever. I would that he investigates that a little more because that's a fun way to write a song, I imagine. Yeah. Jenny: Right. Interesting. Right. ⁓ I didn't take it. I didn't take it there. I like that. Hillary: Yeah, took me, I listened to it many but the way that jumped out at me was I didn't listen to the song. just read the lyrics and when that happened, it just jumped out at me. So anyway, I think that's, Jenny: That's cool. I took it as number one inside his head is wife, Ali and that she, could just see being like, well, instead of we get up and make the donuts, well, we gotta go the hungry bread, doing good deeds in the Hillary: Also, how unfair is that the Bono mentions bread on Passover and I'm dying here. Like we need bread to survive. mean, I need bread. don't want to eat. don't want to eat. ⁓ it makes me not want to eat anything because I can't eat bread and I just pretty much starve for eight days and then I eat a lot of bread. ⁓ Jenny: You need carbs! ⁓ right? So I just figured out a comment that someone left this evening on the post that you did about like maybe there'll be a third and it will be bread. And someone commented, you mean hungry bread. And I was like, what are they? I'm like, oh no, it's the lyrics! Hillary: Yeah. ⁓ that's so funny that these songs are so new and we're already making them into punchlines. ⁓ Yeah. Jenny: That was great. Right? I thought that was great. I love the melody. I love the drums. I just drums written across the top of my page. I just... I love the... guitar in the beginning that gets you on that fast road. You're on that highway in the desert during where the streets have no name. You're just running down the road. It's amazing. This is my favorite right now. Okay. Hillary: Okay song five, Easter Parade. I titled what I wrote about this as Weird by Hillary So I'm going to tell you the whole everything that has come to my mind. Sorry if it's boring, so I listened like half of this song today and put my phone for a minute when I picked it up. It was playing Go Your Own Way by Fleetwood Mac. And I'm like, yeah, I'm just going to go with it. I And it's right there in front of me. I can go back to that later, but this is, you know, ⁓ this just popped up on my phone. and that's really good song. So I said, for me, Jenny: Go your own way! Hillary: It's this song sounds like a Broadway musical Jenny: it the end one of the, it was either right intermission or like the ending number on the Broadway show. ⁓ Hillary: Yeah, that's crazy that you... So this, I have another thing, a quote, but I'm going to say this first. So, and it's not because the phrase, defying gravity is used because obviously that jumped out. So it's a musical, bear with me, about a young girl who gets off a Greyhound bus in New York and her Easter garb singing on the street. And then it starts to rain. Jenny: It's just perfect. Mm-hmm. Hillary: and she gets splashed by a truck in the puddle she hates everything. And there's a chorus and dancing. And that's the story. So again, with my friend Joe, he texted me and said this song was to him was reminiscent of Spider-Man Turn Off the Dark. And I'm like, all of it. Like all of it. Jenny: I also said this was the soundtrack song they've always wanted to write. Hillary: Yeah, so crazy that that's what we all thought. Like independently, I didn't tell you that. didn't, know, Joe texted me this ⁓ then like it's three different, ⁓ crazy. Yeah, that's all I have with this song because that's not the best. Jenny: Right. Yeah. ⁓ I have, first of all, the beginning is Baba O'Reilly. Hillary: Yep. Jenny: The Who or reminiscent of So I have three things written and in three different colors they were kind of different parts of my journey I said I am definitely not the audience for this song. Will I enjoy it live? Maybe. Will I sing the Greek? see. I know. I'm also a person that when we do the Pledge of Allegiance, I do not say the words under God. Hillary: no, I don't even do that. Jenny: I do not. They are not part of of Allegiance. are now, but they were a marketing to keep us away from communism. And I am not under God. I am of this country. ⁓ Hillary: No, no, no, no. I mean, I don't know. Like, I don't do that. I mean, it's I just don't know where I stand with God. So I don't. Jenny: Yeah, I, the reason under God was added had nothing to do with our founding and everything to do with keeping us away from communism. That's why in God we trust is on our money too. It's not originally that way people. We are not a God country as many of you like to think we are. I don't care how much faith our founders had, they did not put God in our country. They put slavery, misogyny, and all kinds of stuff. ⁓ Hillary: all the other things. Jenny: And then I said, we'll see. Sometimes amazing songs, the lyrics another instrument as opposed to something personal. So like, I I can sing along to this song as the song without feeling like I'm betraying myself. That makes sense? And ⁓ then as, I've to this a hundred times. Whoa, what a journey. This is a whole different animal. It's so good. Hillary: OK. It does make sense. Jenny: I think I can excuse that it's Jesus. think I have actually enjoyed listening to this song in a way that me. Because there's no denying what this song is. There's no anything. Not that they need to hide things, but... ⁓ a friend of ours in the U2Jew ⁓ I know, this wasn't Beth. This was PJ who said, who will be writing about this and Achtoon Baby let's look for it. And, gosh, wish I remembered her exact words, but it was something like U2's new EP. My favorite song is Easter Parade, which is just Hillary: more than two walls. Okay. Jenny: Another example of how hard it is to be a Jew in the U2 fandom. Something like that. This is an incredible song. It's an incredible piece of work. Hillary: Yeah, it is. so let me just say this though, speaking on behalf of both of us, we don't have any problem with people, you know, praising Jesus. Like we're totally fine with that. We, please, you know, go do, be who you want to be. We're just saying that we, we are and we have just different beliefs. Jenny: Mm-mm. Hillary: And it's not, it's not, we're not knocking your beliefs or anything. Like really not. Jenny: And it's okay, not everything has to be written for us. Our band has very strong faiths and beliefs in something that we don't believe in. And obviously that doesn't bother us. Hillary: Yeah. Right. No, I mean, is not the first time it's coming up, or the last. yeah, that doesn't change. You're right, it doesn't change our fandom at all. Jenny: More the less. Right? I was thinking about this as compared to like, Magnificent, where I mentioned on Talk that with Magnificent, I feel It's it's prothetizing It's like, and I know it's not, I know that our band is not out to spread Christianity around the world. Like, I know that in my heart, but I feel like is a lot. This, don't feel like I'm being preached to. This, feels like a core thing for them. And it is, So, but yeah, the Kyrie eleison what did we do? It's Greek. Our friend PJ was like, it's not Latin, it's not Hebrew, you're gonna make me sing in Greek? Hillary: Thank you. Jenny: But it is something, it is, we will praise the Lord. We will, it's something in there. Bono does have the lyric, and not every song will be a prayer. Which. Thank you. Hillary: Yeah, that's That's a good line. Jenny: There is, yeah, fandom is pretty batshit crazy about this song. Especially the people who, know, Easter celebrating people are, it is, Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: I guess they're Spider-Man. I don't know that song, but I don't- I've never heard them do anything like this. Hillary: No. Jenny: It's cool. I give high fives for Easter parade because I think it is an amazing piece of music and a bold move on their faith. And it's Easter. They released it on Easter. Like, it's the point. Hillary: Yeah, asked. Yeah, it's the star song. Again, just like we were talking before, I feel like it has a lot of layers that you need to peel back and only gotten through like one of them. So maybe, ⁓ you in six months or something we should do another episode about how it holds up. Jenny: Yeah. Yeah. I'll be interested to what I feel about that because to me this one doesn't have layers. think musically it has layers, lyrically I don't think so. Hillary: Yeah. Well, you might be right about that. I don't know. just, I don't know. I don't love it and it thought it. Yeah. I don't love it. And maybe that's just because I don't understand it. Jenny: I don't know. It's. pretty intense. Okay. Track six. COEXIST will bless the Lord at all times? ⁓ Question mark is the saving grace. Hillary: Nah. Jenny: Bono says, wait, time we listened to this together, I like, are we just jumping through different treatments? ⁓ This not cohesive. I don't understand what's happening. Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: I have many highlights and so many notes. Again, layers. I will say there were multiple comments online that the question mark saved this song for people that made them give it a chance. says that the song COEXIST as a lullaby for of children caught up in war, featuring a soundscape by Brian Eno, which really was like, I was like, brr, but it works, the soundscape sounds like stuff you hear at Sphere and in Zoo Station, right? Hillary: Yeah, totally works. I have that note too. ⁓ Okay. Yep. Jenny: that ambiance, I soundscape, I guess that's the word for it. Thinking about a parent of a child during war, and that whole first verse, I am the best or the worst or the worst of the best, she's sang skipping lines. I can't fix her. I can only love her. Can't keep her pocket full. I can't keep her face and smiles. Someone's what was beautiful. I can't sing her home to me in rhymes, but I can the Lord at all times. And I'm like, okay. Like when things are so uncertain and you can't keep your children safe, but the one thing that you know you can do To me that just... it's really heavy. ⁓ Hillary: It's very, very heavy. Jenny: Like everything is horrible, but this I can count on. I can count on blessing the Lord. That's all you have. This is also Bono's Lou moment. It's very walk on the wild side. cadence. and I guess it's the war aspect. That's where the question mark comes in. Like, can't we bless the Lord? Can we count on the Lord when this is happening? have so many things highlighted that, I don't know, the first time I listened to this, and it's because there's so much of that refrain. I will all at all times. my gosh, it is overwhelming to my non-Lord self. ⁓ Non-Lord blessing self, digging into the verses, ⁓ like your child sleep. Hillary: Go. Jenny: child without armor and has no hate to harbor, only loneliness, the driver of the ambulance, the road the drone's hovver without a consciousness over war crimes, then it says, will bless the Lord at all times, question mark. But it's just, I do, I, where is the Lord when this is the world? question ⁓ Bono over whiskey and cake. know from Edge that he brought this song in and he had it, it was a guitar anthem. It was big time. And Brian Eno Bono took it away and he says that Bono his jazz man thing and just created this masterpiece. And I would, my question for is, I don't understand, what's the... What's the reasoning? What's the... I feel like there's storytelling in here. What's the storytelling with the change in his The technology? I feel like I could have put that. The distortion? I don't know. Because there's two big ones and then at the end it's acapella. and hard. Like, what is the storytelling that's happening with those different versions of things? Because they have to be deliberate. mean, don't just sound cool. Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: I mean, don't about that kind of treatment personally, but there's a reason for it. Obviously, I would just like to know. So he brings the whiskey and we bring the cake, he can tell us. Hillary: I have a question for him too, but I'll get to that in a minute. Jenny: I also learned that the lady of Guadalupe is the Virgin Mary. Hillary: I wouldn't of that. Jenny: Mm-hmm. I looked it up. It's very famous, apparently. all around the world. ⁓ It's Our Lady. he says, sings the girl of Guadalupe. It's Our Lady of Guadalupe is the Virgin Mary. ⁓ It's another country's virgin. It's a... Hillary: Thank I got it. Okay. Jenny: Anyway, you can look it up. It's an easy find. Google AI will tell you. Hillary: Okay. I don't have much on this. So what I have is like this song like a piece of abstract Like it's Pollock, it's a Rothko. ⁓ It's art look at and don't need to know what it means. Obviously it's but I don't want or need to know any more than the title. And then for that reason, love this song. because I don't need to know. Jenny: Yes. Hillary: I just kind of have to, I've like given up and the song live itself. ⁓ I don't hate the Eno soundscape. I kind of like it, which surprises me. It does. But I really want one of those turntables, the Eno badly. Jenny: I think that's great. Yeah. ⁓ it works really well. Very badly. think they're only a ⁓ thousand dollars or something. Tens of thousands of dollars. ⁓ Hillary: Yeah. Yeah, not something attainable unless, you know, someone who's listening maybe has access or something. Jenny: There's an extra one laying around. Just send it to Virginia and I'll come look at it. Because I doubt there's two laying around. Hillary: Not going to use it anymore. Okay. Great. send it to one of us and the other one will be able to see it and be cool about it. Or we'll share it. We'll let go like every other year or something. Okay. So... Jenny: Yeah. Yeah. Hillary: Yeah, really like that. That was one of my first thoughts is that it was abstract art and you don't look at you don't look at like a Rothko and say, what do those squares mean? Like, what do those rectangles mean? ⁓ mean anything and you don't need to know it's just abstract art. Jenny: Right. Hillary: I would ask Bono over whiskey and cake ⁓ is how recording in a studio changed over the years or has it? And I don't mean like technology. I mean in terms of the process and relationships and everything like ⁓ what's between the four of them then is you know now when they started like how how they changed I guess. Jenny: Yeah. Yeah. I like question. ⁓ I like that. Hillary: Yeah, I think that would be, I'd like to know. But there's something, maybe with these EPs, because they have Propaganda, but it feels like it doesn't sound like it, but it feels like you're, you of can glimpse at them in the studio. Jenny: absolutely. Yeah. ⁓ given us that window. Yeah. ⁓ Hillary: Yeah, it doesn't sound like that. Yeah, it's a different thing when it sounds like studio. That's totally different. This is ⁓ feels like studio and like it. like it a lot. But like I have, I don't know. I think about like, I don't Joshua Tree ⁓ and like I close my eyes I'm like, I can't, how was this made? Like you don't want to know how that's made. Jenny: you Hillary: I can't visualize that. can't visualize all that you can't leave behind. The most albums. I can't imagine what the studio was like. ⁓ obviously, we've seen a bit of that from Unforgettable and we've seen a bit of that from, from Achtung Baby. But like, what was the studio like when they were making All That You Can't Leave Behind or something? Like, I can't imagine, but it's mostly Joshua Tree because I think there's only like a few little clips of that. And I can't like being in the studio Jenny: Bye. Hillary: and cooking up amazing album. And I can't see it. I would have to have seen more of Joshua Tree in the studio. Jenny: Yeah. Final thoughts. from first listen to now I am completely shocked of how much I every single song on this album. ⁓ Hillary: Yep, I absolutely agree with that. Absolutely. I mean, I kind of hesitated for so long to listen to it because on our first listen, it wasn't... I didn't think it was great. But now it Jenny: love of Ash. I love Days of Ash so much and this is so different Hillary: Yeah. I love Days of Ash. I love it more than Easter Lily but only slightly. Jenny: Cool, yeah. I think so too, but I need to go listen to it again. But I also really like angry songs. I like the f*ck you songs. So. Hillary: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jenny: yeah. Hillary: So two things. Last week we picked a song from my phone, random song, it was New Year's Day. So please give us your thoughts on New Day. But also, I'm gonna post something else asking what your favorite song is at the same time. So next week we're gonna have a of votes to tell. Jenny: Right. Because obviously we're not doing New Year's Day today. We got busy. Hillary: No, no, no, no, I forgot. Yeah, I forgot that I had that we decided that. keep an eye out for the graphics. Jenny: Yes. Hillary: and respond. And follow us everywhere, especially subscribe to our YouTube Like, things could happen and that would be good things for you, too! Jenny: Please. Hillary: So if you have parent, a kid, a friend, someone who like lets you get in their... yeah, a second account, please... Jenny: second account. Every Gmail account has a YouTube account. Hillary: Right. Hmm. yes Have everyone subscribe. It's, know, for us, for it's a mitzvah. ⁓ To subscribe, it's mitzvah. So please go do that. Or your good deed. Or however you want to phrase it. Jenny: It's a myth. Please and thank you. We appreciate it. Thanks coming on this journey with us. ⁓ We it would be long, but this was longer than anticipated for six songs. Hillary: Thank you. Yeah. I know, right? Jenny: But yeah, we had a lot to say and can't wait to talk with you all about it. ⁓ Hillary: Yep. Can't wait. I want to hear what everyone thinks is their favorite song. I feel like there's going to be more variety with this than... Jenny: Everything I've seen so far it's either like Easter parade and COEXIST or like scars and In A Life Song for Hal lives on its own. Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: I don't see a lot of Resurrection Song stuff, but it's like people either like, I love Martin Garrix. ⁓ you can hear that. You can hear that influence in those songs, or I'm so glad these don't sound like Martin Garrix. ⁓ But also the tribute Easter is also pretty strong pull for people. So, and I understand that. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah, I totally do. I feel like, I know, I just feel like there'll be more variety with Easter Lily than with Days of Ash. I don't have scientific ⁓ proof that, but I just get that feeling. Yeah. Jenny: So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it'll be all over. Yeah, I feel in that. Okay. Well, good night. Yep. Good night. Enjoy the new music. Bye. Hillary: Okay, thanks for listening. Bye.