The Garden Tarts: Up next, we're going to hear from Hillary. Hi, this is Hillary from the U2 theme podcast, The Garden Tarts. My favorite song off the album War is Like a Song. And here are three thoughts I have about it. One, I've long been fascinated by the concept of writing how it feels to have writer's block when you have writer's block. U2's Gloria is an example of that. And the Police's do do do do da da da. I never. Jenny: Okay, hey there, Hillary. Hillary: Hi Jenny, how are you? Jenny: I'm doing okay today. How about yourself? Hillary: I'm okay as well. is Sunday, March ⁓ We're in March already. It feels like this year's taken a really long time, so that was just something to say. you're listening, ⁓ is on after Wednesday, March 4th, This is season eight, nine. The Garden Tarts: otherwise, but I always kind of thought that maybe the name and the first verse came from that process. Number two, this is the rebel song that Sunday Bloody Sunday is not and the imagery in the lyrics totally capture the land war of the troubles, the revolution, the badge, the uniform, the symbolic flag. God, I love this song. Okay, three. Jenny: And you're listening to Kissing Lips and Breaking Hearts with us, the Garden Tarts. take a moment to pause this episode, like, subscribe, ⁓ a five-star review, and on over to our Patreon at the Garden Tarts and see what's going on over there. Yeah. Thanks. Pleasant thank you. Hillary: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. The Garden Tarts: Throughout my 30 plus years of being a U2 fan, I always said that my bucket list songs were a sort of homecoming and exit. I regularly told this to my U2 friends and then boom, the first night of Joshua Tree 30 in Vancouver, they played both of those songs. I never, ever thought that was going to ⁓ So I had to pick two more songs for my bucket list and those songs are Hawkmoon 269 and Like A Song. So if U2 could help me out with this one day. Jenny: So for ep side A, we're going to talk about the Yours Eternally little short doc that came out. ⁓ For intermission, going to see what y'all had to say about Second, ⁓ our random of the week from two weeks ago. ⁓ And then B, in honor of ⁓ the Propaganda we thought we'd talk a little bit about the history of Propaganda. ⁓ The Garden Tarts: That would be great. Please and thank you. Hillary: Yes. Short and sweet ep Jenny: Well, let's hop into Side A, shall we? Hillary: Okay, if you haven't seen it, go to U2.com and they have a ⁓ for Yours Eternally. It's about people fighting in the Ukraine war. And it's kind of amazing to see soldiers laughing and carrying on and playing with their pets and stuff. My first reaction is how great is that, that they can find joy in war? But then, I kept my brain kept going a little further. And how awful is it that they're just that desensitized that they, you know, they are able to go on and do stuff like that? ⁓ War should never be the norm. mean, and so my I have one more comment about it, but Jenny: Yeah. Hillary: At least in Ukraine, they're fighting for something. They're fighting for their land, their ⁓ unlike wars that are fought over ideology, ⁓ like communism. you know, we lost millions of people in Korea and Vietnam, and their governments are still the same, that they were. ⁓ Jenny: right. Hillary: than except not South Korea, but like we there and fought and nothing happened except people died. like this is, know, war is awful, but if you're fighting for something, for land, for your personal freedom, it's... Jenny: Right. Hillary: You know, you gotta do what you gotta do, but it's very sad. It's very sad. Jenny: There's a lot of content in the current Propaganda about both an interview with Tapas Topolia, the ⁓ artist, the singer who's on the song, and then also about the making of this short film. ⁓ Alina, think is her name, the kind of main character in the film. And one of the quotes is, it's very Ukrainian to say, if you don't laugh, you'll cry. So it's very much that they said makes total sense that this song is such an uplifting beat because it's what they thrive on. ⁓ also ⁓ different like American experience, cause like I've experienced going to war, ⁓ but our soldiers to foreign lands. ⁓ for the most part, right? This is their home. Their kids are still in school. Their husbands or wives are going to work. And so to see that there is some normalcy there both fucked up and refreshing. ⁓ Hillary: Absolutely. Jenny: so if you read Propaganda, you know this, but I to remember when there was some pictures, I think of Bono a podcast or something with, one of the members of Pussy Riot. Remember? And like nothing kind of came of it. but Nadya who is in Pussy Riot. Hillary: I don't remember that. Jenny: had a conversation with Bono November, 2025. and Bono mentioned that U2 are working on this song, Yours Eternally, and based on home the front. And she was like, Hey, let me talk to, there's another artist in Pussy Riot who does, she's like, let me talk to someone about this. I've got an idea. So that's like how this spiraled from there. Some of the people doing the some of them are volunteers, videographers who ⁓ going to the front lines to capture this footage. Some of them are soldiers. Also, it's a really, I really, really recommend, there is a few there's a story about the making of this video. And then there's story that's, like an interview with, to, with, with Taras that, I, that's very phonetic of his name. I'm sure it's. Hillary: you Jenny: Butchered. Oh, so you see in the video that some of them seem to be singing along, which is hard because, sometimes it's kind of like olive juice looks like I love you. You know. So I was like, maybe it's they've just fudged it just right. But they did say that they played the song for the soldiers while they were taking the break to see what they thought of it. Hillary: Yeah. Yes. Jenny: And they said, like, it's a particular Ukrainian attitude that says, you have to laugh or you're going to cry. So that's important for us to get that across to have this real life joy in the song while also watching this. It all in the news how Ukrainian people just dropped everything and volunteered for the front lines. I mean, some of that was mandatory. If you are of a certain age, between certain ages, ⁓ have... Men leave the country. They legally, ⁓ even today, cannot leave the country. Um, if you're between certain, if you're between certain ages, you are draftable unless you have three or more children under that are minors. It's 18. I don't know what it is there. Like, let's say you have three or more under 18. We know this because we have a family friend whose oldest turned 18 during the war. Hillary: ⁓ OK. Jenny: quote from Propaganda, would he, Topolia, say to anyone who questions whether it's appropriate to combine a song with a portrayal of the serious situation in the front line? And said, is a very lyrical Pop song that talks about serious and significant things. If the feeling of a particular song allows the and emotion of a war to be felt, then it is completely appropriate. We hope people watching the film will feel. and empathy and connection with those who are fighting on the ground begin to understand a little bit more about their human situation as well as their fight for freedom. really. There was another, sorry, did you have more? I ended up with so much. There's another analogy. this Ukrainian group, I looked up how to pronounce the name of Taras Topolia, it's the lead, the singer in it. Hillary: No, no, no, I don't have anything else. Jenny: Antytila, Antytila, something like that. they apparently fill stadiums. Like they're huge. he said, imagine in your apartment or your house and you're doing karaoke and someone breaks in and threatens your lives. Would keep doing karaoke or would you fight for your property and your loved ones? Hillary: Thanks. Jenny: So you fight, so you don't keep filling stadiums and singing. You fight, you drop everything and you pick up arms and you fight. He said they never imagined picking up weapons or anything in their lives. They now are actually touring as a Propaganda touring Europe, doing fundraisers for Ukraine. I learned so much. Hillary: Right, right. Jenny: And so there will be a longer documentary that comes out with this footage, is what I understand, that this was kind of already happening and then they fit Yours Eternally into it. Hillary: Okay. know, like, as always, and we'll get to that more just a bit, but as always, we learn so much just by being U2 fans. Like, Jenny: It's. Hillary: So much. Jenny: It's a gift. you pay attention, it's a real gift about how the world works in certain ways. I'm sure it helps so much with Jeopardy. Hillary: It helps with jeopardy a lot too. it really really does. My parents will be like, how did you know that answer? I'm like because I'm just very very smart and not because a lyric to a song. Jenny: Bono not a lyric to a song. ⁓ Hillary: Not a lyric. you Jenny: it's a gorgeous little, it's a gorgeous little video. It's just the length of the song. So watch it if you haven't. Look in the last few pages of Propaganda to read about that. I read so much of Propaganda about the songs to get ready to talk about them that I hadn't finished reading the publication. So yeah. Hillary: Great. Jenny: How we get into low intermission? ⁓ Hillary: Yeah, have two things to say. Firstly, like my shirt. Jenny: Mm-hmm. I love your shirt. It has a sparkly bow on it, for those of you who aren't... Well, it's like bedazzled, a bedazzled bow, not 3D. Hillary: Thank you. ⁓ Yes. Yeah, so yeah, so my Kelly, she accidentally bought two. And like the whatever, she couldn't return it. So she gave it to me. And I love it. ⁓ Jenny: It's, it suits you very well. Hillary: Thank you. Another thing is, I was on U2X again. It is, it, this is just a coincidence that we're going to talk about a song for war because you saw it was just totally random that I picked it out of it. Jenny: You were! It was your favorite war song. Right, we should play that bit. Okay, let's listen, shall we? Hillary: Sure. Yay. That was fun. especially because I didn't have to come up with anything to say. ⁓ Like this was in my, was in my head all along. Jenny: It's so fun. ⁓ as soon as I saw the, the theme of the week, I was like, Hillary's got it. ⁓ knew exactly what it was. So speaking of war, the song of the week to randomly two weeks ago, because of ash fell on us was Seconds. ⁓ And, some of you have some opinions and I think we should start with Garden Tart Amanda, says love hearing edgy sing. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jenny: She is a number one Edge fan and she will fight you for it. ⁓ And we'll fight you for it also. Lewandowski says, wow, this song just reread the lyrics and listened. Yikes, this song is so appropriate for today. So true. Those pounding drums in the beginning of the song, Larry at his best, the children's voices chanting in the background, the Edge's vocals and that abrupt end. It's a great song off a brilliant album. I love how people say U2 is not relevant. They just need to go back and go through the albums to realize just how relevant they are. Their songs stand the test of time. Boom-cha! Hillary: Awesome. Jenny: Charlie Messing says, did we ever find out where they're going tonight? Where are we going tonight? It's like a repeat song. Hillary: ⁓ yeah. Jenny: ⁓ Paul says, hard hitting at the time, great song on a fantastic album. And Jake says, definitely one of Adam's best bass lines. Hillary: I have ⁓ two little things to say. And I say this all the time, but as horrible as the Cold War was, it threw great music that came from that. mean, and Russians, Sting's Russians, my God. ⁓ But I also really liked verse that goes, the puppets, it's the puppets pull the string because Jenny: ⁓ Yeah, what's yours? Yes. Hillary: I kind of think that's what's going on right now. Yeah. So, yeah. Jenny: Yeah. Well, the puppet, the people pulling the strings aren't even hiding. Hillary: No, no, Do you want to pick our next song while we're here? Jenny: Sure, do you want to dig? I have just a quick thing about Seconds while you pull one out. And I just love anytime Edge gets to shine. And when he does shine, the songs just stand out on their own so well. You know, I mean, Van Diemen's Land, this, mean, Numb stands out. Hillary: Okay, go ahead. obviously. Jenny: I love ⁓ and ⁓ a hard hitting song. a, well, the fact that it's so relevant today is crazy. ⁓ Okay, what's random song of the week? ⁓ wait, we need a drum roll. Hillary: Okay. I'm not looking, I'm just picking a piece of paper. Jenny: ⁓ that was drum joke. Here we go. Hillary: Sunday Bloody Sunday. Jenny: Wow, that's crazy. Hillary: that was just totally random, i did not- I mean, I really like you saw me I shake the is crazy. Also, if I wrote out the names, ⁓ I they were in alphabetical order. So like, but they're all, all shaken and everything, whatever. Jenny: ⁓ I saw you, yeah. Okay. yes. ⁓ Right, so the fact we got two S's in a row is, what was the first song we had? A Day Without Me. Yeah. Hillary: Just a coincidence. a day without. I have because we have a little I'll take a picture of it one day, but I'm I'm making a little magnet thing. Jenny: ⁓ yeah, you're putting them up. Yeah. Hillary: Okay, so mean, everybody's got something to say about Sunday Bloody Sunday. So we should have like, many reply because Jenny: Okay. Right. And you should be able to take a pause from Days of Ash now. ⁓ Hillary: because Jenny: And you should be able to take a pause from Days of Ash by ⁓ Hillary: Yeah. So look, I have not done that. Have you? Like I've been on a diet of only Days of Ash. Like I get in the car, I play it, I put my makeup on, play it. I just play it all the time. I do not listen to anything else. Yeah. So look, I have not done that. Have you? Like I've been on a diet of only Days of Ash. Like I get in the car, I play it, I put my makeup on, play it. I just play it all the time. I do not listen to anything else. Jenny: No. No. It's intoxicating. Real quick, so I was really, really hoping that the U2 lyric videos were Easter egg-y with U2 stuff like how Taylor does. And I because I found there was one that's not hidden that much in American Obituary. But did you notice whenever there were police and it said like POLICE on the back of their jackets, it would turn into PLEASE It's intoxicating. Real quick, so I was really, really hoping that the U2 lyric videos were like Easter egg-y with U2 stuff like how Taylor does. And watched, because I found there was one that's not hidden that much in American Obituary. But did you notice whenever there were police and it said like POLICE on the back of their jackets, it would turn into PLEASE Hillary: that. that. Jenny: Yeah, so I assume that is referencing song. Yeah, so I assume that is referencing song. happens twice that video. And then I watched like two more and I'm like, ⁓ they're not going that deep, happens twice that video. And then I watched like two more and I'm like, ⁓ they're not going that deep, but that's cool. That's cool. Okay. Propaganda. Hillary: Very cool. Propaganda. Jenny: I had a small freak out because I thought all my Propaganda's were in one place and I went to grab them and it was just the ones from like elevation. So I had to dig through a bunch of stuff and I found them. And I also found 20 years of Propaganda book, which has all of them. Hillary: I don't think I have that. Jenny: beginning as a scruffy, stapled fanzine. Hillary: the first Propaganda came out in January 86. At that time, they generally came out three times a year. My first issue was issue 16 in 1992. I don't remember. I know that they included all kinds, know, once a year or whatever, a CD or whatever. I only for some reason remember Melon. Jenny: That was the first one. That was the first gift. I found it. Hillary: I love that. Yeah. Awesome! I have no idea where mine would be. Jenny: When I opened up this version of Propaganda and found this, because you know, there was no internet to tell us this was coming. The band might as well have dropped it off at my door. I was so excited. They might as well, here you go, Jenny. We this just for you. I was like, holy sh*t, this is the coolest f*cking thing ever. And just for fans. No one else will ever see it. Hillary: Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. could have I know it's not, but I, really thought that there was like t-shirt gift from hold me, throw me, kiss me, me, I'm fairly certain ⁓ It wasn't a gift though, was it? Jenny: Where's the t-shirt? I have a t-shirt from then. Hillary: I mean. Jenny: I don't know, but it has like the blue, it has like the Batman signal, but it's McPhisto. Hillary: Yeah. so I don't know either, but if I didn't, if it wasn't like a gift that came with my membership, then it was some, a form on that's the other thing with Propaganda is like, if you wanted to buy merch or something, filled out a form on the back. If you wanted concert tickets, you, yeah. Look, look, listening. Jenny: I don't know. Look at this form! Why didn't I ever buy this? Hillary: If you're listening though, Jenny just pulled out an order form for a U2 jacket. It was an order form. Jenny: Baseball Jacket. How much is it? Hillary: So could fill out a form ⁓ mail it in and that's how you bought tickets. Like that's tickets- Jenny: and you maybe got tickets in the mail, you maybe didn't. Hillary: Yeah, like it was Jenny: $150 in 1993. That's why I didn't get it. Hillary: That's ridiculous. Well, yeah, we were still really about the ticket buying situation, but you couldn't do anything. You just had to wait, which is like different from now you have to put a huge effort in and be anxious. This was just like, well, it's, know, in U2's hands and now we'll see. But I thought, you know, we put tickets up until Pop that way, wasn't it? Jenny: Yeah, yeah, because the first time I ever bought tickets was for Pop. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny: What issue did you say was your first one? 16 mine is 17. Oh, look, here's another one. It's on clearance. Oh. Hillary: 16. Jenny: now it's $160. ⁓ Hillary: What do think would happen if you mailed it You said I could get one. Jenny: Where does he get mailed? It goes to New York. N-A-N-U-E-T. ⁓ But there's the new Australia, New Zealand, Japan official tour tee. Clearance, clearance, clearance. fly t-shirt. Achtung Baby album cover. This is crazy. going and see if any other ones have them. Gosh. ⁓ here's a tattoo. I found all these. doesn't even have a picture to drawing. Hillary: Ha ha ha! Jenny: It's the three symbol T from actually this one's from Zooropa $20. my gosh. Okay, as you were, you were saying things. Hillary: I just remember it we didn't know when we were going to get an issue of it and would just come in the mail and that was just like the most exciting thing ever. Jenny: Yes. I would always, ⁓ would write to ⁓ all the Amnesty International instructions. Look at this, it's fanzines. That one's mine. Hillary: my god! my god! Jenny! Jenny: A picture of my fanzine was in Propaganda. I mean, and then there's, is my like address in here? bet you it is. It's a list of like two dozen of them. Yep. Raymar Boulevard. Now are just watching me going down memory lane. Hillary: ⁓ my god, I remember that act as well. I mean, this is just like an extension of your fanzine. Jenny: Right? So I asked before there was the internet and boards for the most part, other than like Prodigy maybe AOL was starting. wrote into the grapevine. You send in your name, address, I don't know what swoops means. I guess a little thing, you've a quite like, some people saying seeking CD singles, pen pals, any age, that's how you would meet other fans. Propaganda 22, U2 and the net. In the next issue of Propaganda, we're planning to look at what's happening on the net worldwide and how U2 fans are getting involved. Oh my gosh. You can email us at Propaganda at u2.easynet.co.uk. Except instead of of dots it has commas. Hillary: ⁓ my god. my God. If you're listening, if listening, the ⁓ had commas in it instead of dots. Like that's how little they knew about. Jenny: I'm so sorry. email address my god is it Collectormania I'm looking I'm guessing there's no more forms look you could order it wait Hillary: a little new. that's it. That's the shirt. Jenny: Call me, me, kiss me, kill me. To all Propaganda readers, this brand new Thrill Me one size extra large t-shirt is available to Propaganda readers. $20 But I guess I didn't mail this in. I don't know how I got it if I didn't mail it in. ⁓ Hillary: Yeah, maybe it was into two magazines or some. Jenny: Maybe. I don't know. Hillary: Very cool. Jenny: So at some point... Is this the last issue number 24 for I guess is the one of this like full magazine size. It's from summer 96. Look at cute Bono, he's so cute. Remember we didn't know he was hot. Hillary: Okay. Aww, look at Bono. I totally remember that. How did you know that? Jenny: No, we didn't know he was hot. Sorry, little buddy. you were just old. ⁓ Then it switched. Hillary: Like he look at him he's he's not Joshua tree. I know Jenny: It's child. a child. Then it switched to this size. ⁓ Hillary: Okay. Jenny: which is more square like. And I guess the last one. The last one I have here is autumn 2002 for elevation. it would make sense that after that thing is just went online. Hillary: Yeah. I mean, You couldn't use that website because it's all commas. Jenny: Hmmmm It's all commas! Oh, this one actually has a thing for U2.com in it. Winter 2000, introducing YouTube.com. Hillary: instead of dot com. Jenny: Remember when it was like, u2.msn.com? was weird. Like people didn't have their real own. my God, this is amazing how far the world has come. Technology has come. Hillary: Yeah. It is a very small amount of time to go from that to where we are now. Jenny: Yeah. Hillary: Yeah, I do remember that too. Jenny: melon man this was like they might as well come down the chimney like santa Hillary: you That's really funny. So, the current U2.com gift is that sweatshirt. And I love it. It is the best, the thing I've, they've ever given us in that situation. Yeah. ⁓ I it so often. I always I should get another. ⁓ Cause I Jenny: Yeah. the best and the most useful. Yeah. I look back at of the coffee books and stuff they've given us. That is big expensive sh*t. And heavy to mail. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Jenny: And those are gorgeous, like I don't want to downplay those, but you can't wear them. Hillary: No, no. Yeah, I love that shirt so much. Yeah. Jenny: So some. ⁓ good. I, ⁓ yeah, I wear it all the time. Hillary: Yeah. okay. So I need to give a little shout out to my nephew, Charlie. We, I told him he could have a consultant, byline credit. ⁓ Okay. told I told him that he could have a consulting credit, because like made a little video to tell us some stuff to do to hype up our, our YouTube stats. Jenny: Credit, yeah. Hillary: Cause he also said he listens. So, ⁓ so consulting Charlie. you. Jenny: He does listen. Yep. Absolutely. Something funny I learned about Propaganda is, well, it's in the opening of the current Propaganda, is that the band had no idea what was gonna be in it until it came out, which I thought was great. Like they would learn things what the other pan members were saying and stuff ⁓ through that. Hillary: You Jenny: Question for Bono over whiskey and cake. Hillary: Do have any merch? mean, do you keep your own merch like wear around the house or ⁓ Jenny: like a Sunday shirt or you know gotta do some painting. ⁓ Hillary: Like, to ⁓ Jenny: Gardening, you're something you get dirty. Hillary: Yeah, do you have like, trying to think of something unique. Jenny: The Zoo TV baseball jacket. ⁓ Hillary: Yeah, what merch do you have? You've got to have some merch. So just let us know what you have and you use that because I'm very intrigued by it. Yeah. Jenny: Super super curious. ⁓ I would love to ask Bono Over Whiskey and Cake his thoughts on and his answer cannot be that he loves Edge's voice. Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: and he loves when Edge sings. That can't be the answer. I would like to ask him, so the only time I've seen Seconds perform live under the blood red sky, red rocks. And Edge front and center for it. Bono's on the side doing backing vocals. But like after the first verse or two Bono takes over. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny: So I want to know why. Hillary: Yeah, how was that decided? ⁓ Jenny: Is it like Edge wants to concentrate on the guitar? He doesn't really want to be upfront that much. You can't help yourself. Hillary: That's what I was thinking. I was thinking that, like, you couldn't handle being on the side anymore. Yeah. So, I have a follow up to the question that I just ⁓ before. how great would it be if Bono was wearing a band t-shirt and then like Jenny: Right. Hillary: edge comes over or one of them come over and Bono's wearing like how funny would that be? ⁓ had a years years ago, I had a friend who had some kind of t shirt printer or something like that back in the 90s. And he, he would take a picture of that coming over house and put it on his shirt. And so when you open the ⁓ Jenny: That'd be really funny. Hillary: He's wearing a shirt with your face on it. was a good one. like, kind of wonder, like, Bono, would you do that? Like, how great would that be? You'd get a big laugh from that one. So anyway, I that was very clever idea for that guy to do that. ⁓ Jenny: Your face. That is hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's great. And I fully expect to see our faces on Bono's shirt next time we see him. Hillary: Please. If can fill out a form and send it to us, send back to us and then we'll send it Jenny: You'll find my it's not even my parents address anymore in the back of Propaganda. Hillary: Yep. Jenny: I must have freaked out when I saw that in there. I don't remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay y'all, thanks for coming on this ride that was longer than we anticipated. Perfect. Yeah, still quick little subscribe, like, comment, comment, answer all of them. Yeah, I mean so much. Right. Stay tuned next week. We have a special episode coming next week. And we can't wait to share it with you. Bye!