Jenny: Hell. Hillary: Hi Jenny. Thank you. I like yours too. Jenny: I your sweater. Happy belated St. Patrick's Day. Well, it's not belated now, but it will be belated. Hi. How are you today? Hillary: Yeah. It will be when you hear this. Yeah. Well, thanks. How are you? Jenny: doing okay. Thanks for asking. Hillary: the weather crazy there? It's crazy here. Jenny: It is. It got up to like 70 today and the winds are picking back up. got big, huge winds coming in tomorrow and I think, I mean y'all are like got tornadoes and stuff potentially. And tomorrow it's gonna go down like 20 degrees to 50 and then the next day it's gonna be 20. So what you gonna do? Hillary: I know, I'm really worried about that. Yeah, week ours went from think it was like 80 and then that night it snowed. Jenny: Yeah, that's more like, I mean, we don't want to get the 80, we're used to like this volatile spring, like it kind of can't make its name, but this is excessive. We will have three seasons in a day, but 70 to 20, that's... Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny: way more than like 60 to 30. Anyway, yeah I'm knocking on wood because our lights were flickering like half hour ago. Hillary: Yeah, I get it. I need to charge all my stuff up. Okay, today's Sunday, March 15th, if you're listening, it is on or after Wednesday, March 18th, 2026. This is season eight, episode 11. This one goes to 11. Jenny: It's the eyes of March. It goes to 11. It's also the Ides of March. Beware. And you're listening to Kissing Lips and Breaking Hearts with the Garden Tarts. Us. Please take a moment, click like on this episode, subscribe to our channel, think about subscribing on Apple and go take a look at our Patreon as well. Please and thank yous. Hillary: It is, beware. at the. Please, I thank you. need all the help we can get. Jenny: You know who has been helping us? Hillary: Phil Taggert! Jenny: Phil Taggert. Take a listen. Thank you, Phil! How am I now a U2X Hall of Famer? What the and where's the list? And where's my, when's the induction ceremony and where's my trophy? Hillary: Thank you, Phil. Who's gonna duck you? Jenny: do I get to choose who inducts me? Hillary: Can I go and like sit in the in the good seats? I wished you higher, Jenny. Jenny: Look, you're the one that's gonna induct me. think you're going to write me a Bono-style Bob Marley induction speech. ⁓ That'll be great. Hillary: Okay, I can do that. If anyone needs like a speech writer or graphic designer or anything that, you know, makes me money, let me know because I've got places to go and things to do. Jenny: Ugh, we'll talk about that in the intermission. Yes. Side A today, we are gonna talk a bit more about Ballroom Boom and the BP Fallon documentary that we saw in New York two weekends ago now. And we have a little intermission, there's some rumblings going on in the U2 world. And then Side B, we have a lot of stuff from y'all from our random song of the week, Sunday Bloody Sunday. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah, that one just kind of exploded. We were gonna do that at intermission and now it's got its own side. Jenny: We literally have a two page essay that someone sent. Okay, a page and a quarter, but. ⁓ Hillary: You Jenny: guess we're gonna read it. Okay. Hillary: Yeah. Yep. Jenny: Side A. of all, I want to give mad props to the people at CraicFest because we only went to like two films, but what a lovely festival. You walk into this theater. So Village East by Angelika. is side note, important. Angelika is like a larger theater that I guess purchased the Village East and Angelika just died. Hillary: It really, really was. ⁓ no! Jenny: Yeah. I don't know the whole story behind that, but my sister who is an old New York, she, she's not old. She used to live in New York as in her different was a New York theater person ⁓ and trying to figure out, she's like, wait, I understand the Angelika bought Village East. finally like connected that. like, I don't know what it means. It just said Village East ⁓ by Angelika. And then. Hillary: Great. Yeah. Jenny: Later she sent me a text and she's like, speaking of Angelika. So you rest in peace, Angelika. I have no idea who you are. Anyway, lovely. Yeah. Hillary: Yes. You have a nice little theater there. So Adam was the host of the Ballroom Boom documentary and it was really good. And I watched like several documentaries a week. This is good caliber documentary. So Jenny: Mm-hmm. Hillary: if you have the chance to watch it, watch it. But talks about the history of the show bands, which started around the ⁓ 40s and ⁓ 50s. And mentioned the documentary, but I read about it. ⁓ thing that ended disco. Disco kill them because nobody was going to see bands like. Jenny: Yeah, okay. Hillary: They were just going to discoteques. Boom cha Jenny: Yeah, Boom Cha's right. Hillary: Yeah, and anyway, I thought that was really, really interesting. So these bands were like huge. mean, I don't mean like they were big deal, but they were also very large. Like they had very a ton of people in them. Jenny: Like seven, nine, 11, I don't know why. In my mind, they're all uneven numbers, odd numbers. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. It was they played they played to dancers in ballrooms. A lot of them had weirdly. US names. Jenny: Right, and they talk about that in the movie too. Hillary: Yeah. played all kinds of music they played big band played a lot of country our country and ⁓ No, no, so Van and worry Gallagher got their start in show bands, which is just funny ⁓ Yeah, the Jenny: they didn't make, they didn't write their own music, right? They, yeah. Right? Hillary: The specific one, another documentary, if you want to see a documentary before you see Adam's documentary, go on Netflix. There's documentary about the Miami show band massacre, I think it's called. It's interesting. I it was very sad because this whole, except for like two people, this whole band just was murdered at a fake Jenny: Yeah. Hillary: checkpoint and of guys who survived was interviewed in documentary. Adam, let's talk about Adam for a second. Jenny: I mean... Hillary: He looked amazing. Jenny: Literally, we literally messaged the stylist. It said, ⁓ my God, that hair. And she was like, thank you so much for thinking to reach out. I'm like, yeah, too. Hillary: It was- We had to. His hair was just like perfectly like coifed and it did not look like a rat chewed it or anything so that's that's always a plus. Jenny: No. Hillary: He's become such debonair silver fox over the years. like, we don't generally notice that stuff until it's passed, but we noticed this in the moment. Yeah. Jenny: Yeah. She said He has incredible hair. All right. ⁓ Anyway, I want go back when we were talking about the Kmart episode and it was everything they could do to get Adam to say one sentence. And look at him now, he's like hosting TV shows and narrating movies and it's just ⁓ Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: So incredibly lovely to see this side of him. Like in front of the camera, I we all know what he ⁓ is. you have had a chance to meet him or not, you hear he's a kind, like ⁓ soft, like he's got a soft presence about him. I don't know how else to describe it. Hillary: So nice. Yeah. Jenny: gentlemen and to see him have these conversations, he's learning about something or the guy from the Miami show band interviewing like just watching his with these people is just really, it's really wonderful. ⁓ No, absolutely. Hillary: I'm just proud of him and I don't mean that condescending. I'm proud. Yeah, he did a really, really, really good job. ⁓ Jenny: Yeah, he's just kind of finding his own place in the public world as opposed to just the bass player and you two, you know. Hillary: Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah. I am. It was really good. mean, aside from just it was a good weekend. We got to see people, old friends ⁓ new friends ⁓ you know, hype up the pot a little bit, which was fun. Yeah. And thank you for everyone who was there who came to say hi or started tuning in. Jenny: always fun. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. We are. Hillary: Yeah, I have one thing to say before we move on to the BP Fallon one. ⁓ Sherry, if you're listening, are still laughing about you saying they're a protest band. That's all I'm gonna say. That's it. ⁓ Jenny: I mean, I think it was something like, I mean, they're a protest band. Like, come on, what do they expect? That was least the implication. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah, but I was laughing so hard, like I had to grab her arm. Like I was that was just the funniest thing I've heard in a very long time. Jenny: We died and then I know you were like so jealous. Like, why did I think of that?! Hillary: Yeah, yeah. Jenny: my god, brilliant. ⁓ Hillary: you Jenny: So, highly, highly recommend Ballroom Boom if you can. I know it's going to a festival in Ireland. I don't know where else. I know the B.P. Fallon movie went to an Irish festival in Chicago. So hopefully Ballroom Boom is going... Funny story, said before the movie or maybe after that they had submitted Ballroom Boom to CraicFest, hoping, fingers that they would get accepted. And they were like, you get be the headliner. Like, ⁓ yes. And you're going close the whole show. So I thought that was funny that they were like crossing their fingers, holding Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny: that maybe they would make it. B.P. Fallon, Rock and Roll Wizard, Vol 1 I didn't realize it was Vol 1. Y'all, he's a wizard. Also he needs a little pointy hat like Mickey Mouse's Fantasia hat, I think. Hillary: You He is a wizard. The Sorcerer and the Apprentice. Jenny: Yeah, for sure. Purple, sparkly. Hillary: Yeah. I kind of feel like he probably has that in his wardrobe somewhere. Jenny: Maybe. iconic names. He worked with the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, T-Rex, U2, Jack White. He recorded at Third Man Records with Jack White. He, he like made Marc Bolan who he was. He said, you're going to be famous. Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: He's like, he's like when Glinda, good witch says, You've had this the whole time. ⁓ Just click your heels together and you'll get to go And it's like, BP Fallon's like, you've had this the whole ⁓ Just put on some makeup and then it'll all happen. ⁓ Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. So, um, I don't remember how old is he. He's in late 60s. 69. Oh my god, he's 79? Jenny: 79 79 We looked them up in New York. I will double check. I will double check. Hillary: Okay. Jenny: I mean if you think like the U2s grew up with T-Rex but BP Fallon made Hillary: Yeah. Right. Jenny: Fallon age. Okay, the says 79. Hillary: Wow. Jenny: Yeah, he was born in 1946. Hillary: So his story is after all this time working for other bands, a few ago, I think it was just like a few years ago, he started making his own music and he has this little band. I mean, obviously wasn't that big of a career change because he worked in that field, but Jenny: Mm-hmm. Hillary: ⁓ my god, who starts new when they're 79? Like that's... That just is... That's just a testament on how... Jenny: right and someone Hillary: Energize this guy yes Jenny: Right? And I forget said it in the movie. don't think BP said it. think someone else or BP said, you know, people said who wants to hear from a year old who's decided to start making music? And BP is like, I do what I want. ⁓ People, shouldn't be an age limit on creating things. ⁓ was cool. But yeah, his job that he created himself was Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: to make people famous. was literally like the wizard behind the curtain, ⁓ there was no curtain. Just a lot of drugs. ⁓ probably shouldn't still be alive. But then I feel like he mentions that, like, or someone's like, I don't know how he's still living. ⁓ Hillary: Great yeah yeah yeah yeah ⁓ probably not. So I remembered and I couldn't find but I remembered in the ⁓ 90s he this book come out that was like his escapades during Zoo TV with U2 and I find it. in a box somewhere but I found one for like $5.50 on eBay so I got it and it came in yesterday. my god that book is amazing. If you Jenny: Yeah. Hillary: There's so many pictures in there that are not... You don't see them floating around. And it's very cool stuff. So if you have a chance, I don't know if it's still in press, but there were a ton of them on eBay. So check it out. ⁓ It's Far Away So Close. Jenny: It's far away so close. I to own this. Hillary: Yeah. I I know, own it. It's so good. I just looked at the pictures last night I haven't read it all, but... Jenny: I don't know if this book survived a move or something. Hillary: Yeah, I don't think mine did. But you want me to get up and show the book? I'll do that. Hang on one second. Okay, here it is. Jenny: ⁓ yeah, and it's big. Hillary: really big and I mean they're just like Jenny: Also, while you're looking, it was funny, they had to redo the whole movie because BP all of remembered he had photographs. And he's like a photographer. I actually think it was Sherry. He was like, he did a whole book on U2 Of he's a photographer. ⁓ OK. Hillary: Right. So here's one of the cool pictures. It's Bono in a car ordering fast food. Jenny: Yeah, classic. Hillary: I wonder if he ordered a large fly. I didn't come up with that. That's not me. Yeah. Jenny: That's a wasted line if he did not. Okay, I guess we need to keep an eye out for volume two. Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: guess it's whatever the next chapter like why close the book when the book's still being written. Hillary: Seriously, it's so, both of those movies were just Jenny: Yeah. Hillary: And they were really, they were, you know, film festival worthy and I enjoyed watching both of them very much. Please check them out if you can find them. Jenny: and Adam is in the BP one. Hillary: Yes he is. He is. Jenny: And I feel like he did say something really funny. I forget what it was. He said he said something that I felt like, hope that was approved. I can't remember what it was. Obviously, it was approved. But yeah, go see them. They it's very likely there's an Irish film festival in your town at some point that you just don't know about. I wouldn't know about it necessarily. So I would look that up. ⁓ Not miss it you can. Hillary: So time for intermission. Jenny: *singing* intermission we need. We need a little song. Hillary: We need intermission music. Jenny: Yeah, I'll work on that. I'll see if I can find something that exists in a free realm. There's probably something in... Unless someone wants to write us something. Hillary: Okay. Yeah. That's what I was saying. That's what I was going to say. Jenny: Like Edge has that cute little thing on U2X for... it? Greatest sounds I know. ⁓ Really It's ⁓ literally a voice memo. We'll put a little ditty behind it. It's fine. Okay. Hillary: Yup. Something like that, it's really cute. Yeah. Also, if we get one and you don't want people to know that you sent it, we won't tell. We will tell. Anyway. Jenny: except they'll be able to tell, it's your voice. But we'll say it's like AI or something. Wink. No. Hillary: I know, This guy's your voice. Yeah. Yeah. please and thank you. Jenny: So U2songs has a column called the crystal ball that every once in a while resurfaces when rumors start brewing have a policy that they will only write or talk about things ⁓ are credible. It doesn't mean it's things that will come into fruition, but it's not just like some rumor from some comment from the web. It's something that came from a credible source. we're hearing ⁓ album ⁓ before end of the year. ⁓ Hillary: Ready. It's a lot. Jenny: Okay, just so I make sure I don't mess any of this up, I'm taking a look at u2songs so I wanna make sure that I'm giving you the credible rumors, okay? Late September, early October is a release date for the new album, which correlates with their 50th anniversary, birthday. I guess they were birthed. A band is birthed, yeah. It wasn't like a formal marriage or something. Hillary: Yeah. you Jenny: So that's 2026, just so ⁓ like now. Unlike Days of Ash, this will be like a planned marketing thing. So we will know about it. Hillary: Right. Jenny: And then they talk about stuff that was in propaganda. The next tour is expected to be a stadium tour to start in early 2027. most likely South American leg, likely Mexico. what's interesting about this article is it talks about South America starting there and it talks about, Europe. Is that all it talks about? Additional legs will follow and we are told the tour will go into 2028. you guys, I 360 in Europe. Every other tour started in America. And if they are doing the ⁓ whole of the globe before North America, like including Canada, wow. ⁓ Hillary: Yeah, think that I don't think I'm ⁓ think the early albums obviously weren't Jenny: Okay, yeah, like, yeah. ⁓ Hillary: Yeah, like I think for some reason I feel like Unforgettable Fire started in like New Zealand or something. Jenny: Every other, I'm sorry, every other tour going back to Zoo TV, Hillary: Joshua Tree started at Tempe. Jenny: did it? Okay, well then maybe it goes back even further. I mean, that's... I blame them at all. Like, why would they bring a hundred of their best friends and family or however many here to a that is ⁓ literally ⁓ up Like, it's... You gotta keep your people safe. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jenny: So, but that's gonna be so hard. We are so spoiled. We're gonna have to watch. Hillary: I know. We can't, we can't, like, avoid spoilers that long. Like, for a year. No. Jenny: ⁓ we're not gonna avoid spoilers, but it just means like, getting to opening night will be easy. If we see one show, you can't all of a see two or three. Hmm, okay. we'll deal with that when it comes. But anyway, I take a US leg 2028 over no US leg at all. Hillary: Agreed. Also, I feel like... I need to get money. So a whole tour, if can wait, I don't know. We'll figure it out. ⁓ We do. Jenny: Yeah. you a leg. Yeah. Well, if we can get this cash machine of a podcast rolling, that'll help y'all. Support some fan content. Hillary: Yeah, please. subscribe on and all the places and help us out. Jenny: Yes, the easiest thing you can do, the freest thing you can do to help is subscribe on YouTube and leave a review on Apple. Subscribing on YouTube, once we hit a certain level, can, a certain amount of subscribers, we can start collecting ad money, which will be helpful, which is why that's helpful. Otherwise, if you have an extra $30 and you wouldn't mind subscribing on Apple podcasts for a year, that would... Hillary: Very. Jenny: be the greatest honor. We appreciate that. Hillary: Thank you. And thank you to everyone who has that so far. ⁓ of you. ⁓ Jenny: Yeah. And I mean, we're honored that you listen. if want you to subscribe and you know, these things because it feels like the right thing for that you want to do to support us. But so even just listening is huge. What if you want to be more? That's fine. ⁓ OK, before get on our knees and grovel on the floor. Wait, do we want to pick another random song of the week before we go into this one? Hillary: Sure. Jenny: ⁓ wait, I need to draw a mole. Okay, are you ready to pick one? Hillary: Yeah. Gloria! Jenny: Woo, we got a different album! See, it really is for random! Hillary: Yeah, ⁓ so if you do you want to talk about your loves, dislikes, memories, anything you revolving around Gloria, please, you know, post to our by like next Saturday. Yeah, Saturday the 21st. Jenny: I like when you put a deadline on the graphic. I feel like that. Hillary: And then I sent her this week, I sent a reminder too, because feel like I knew that Sunday Bloody Sunday was gonna blow up. I just needed. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Jenny: And it got pushed off a week too, that was really helpful. Okay, we have a lot of people with a lot of thoughts this. Should we start with Brother Will? Hillary: a lot. Sure. Jenny: Will Frank, brother Hilary Frank, who we happen to know this is his favorite. U2 songs One of my all time favorite songs, it made me love drums and inspired me to learn to play. The drums so simple but so powerful. A drum beat you can, a drum beat you can in a second. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Learn. Jenny: I think he means learn. You can learn in a second. OK, give that to him. I have so many stories of Sunday Bloody Sunday hearing it in concert for the first time, literally screaming and climbing over people or the first song of the Jost Retreat anniversary tour. What an song. I do feel bad for my steering wheel when it comes on the radio. Hillary: Yeah. Aww, that's funny. I have two comments about that. One is, the first time he heard it was for elevation in Charlotte and I Jenny: Yes. Hillary: I don't know how, but I kind of got a little bit of a rail and they start Sunday Bloody Sunday and he's like over me. And I'm like, that's crazy. And then he texted me a few days after the Joshua Tree, Joshua Tree 30 that he saw. And he was like, what's the name of this song the band came out to? I'm like, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, dumbass. how do you not that? And he meant the song before that, the last song before they came out, which was the water boy. Yeah. Which was the water boy. ⁓ Yeah. Yeah. Dumbass. ⁓ Why? How do you not know that? ⁓ Jenny: ⁓ that's like on the PA, yeah. Right? You're like, I was literally waiting for you to have that moment. my gosh. Okay, ready for another one? ⁓ who was in the band December. Bravest any band did ever in all music history was when U2 first played this in Belfast in the early ⁓ 80s the height of the Troubles. That's the measure of their artistry and character. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Jenny: They aren't posers or pretenders. Apparently there was a near riot in a good way. Imbano said, if you don't like this, we won't play it again. I feel like I've heard that audio or I've heard Bono tell the story. Yeah. But that's great. That's great. Alexander says rattle and hum version is probably the best. And think he may be right. Yeah. Hillary: Yeah, I've heard that too. Absolutely right, which is also why like I don't understand like why all along the watchtower why Helter Skelter when you have that version of Son of a Lady Sunday and that version of with or without you like the two best performances of those songs ever and It's okay though, I love Rowland Hopps. Jenny: Yes, there's the N. And they're so good. It would be interesting first hearing those audio without the video. Like Sunday Bloody Sunday and with or without you. Like if hearing them with like an audio wouldn't have been, I don't know. Hillary: Yeah, huh. Yeah. I mean, maybe maybe we can play it and then, you know, close our eyes or something and see how it goes. Jenny: Because like, when now that comes in the- Yes, you have that. Okay. H.J. on threads ⁓ was about 11 years old looking up Bloody Sunday at the library. I needed to understand the history. It fed my curiosity. The military drums, the rage, a classic reaction to this song, I imagine. Then no, not Zootv, not Pop Mart, ⁓ had wait until Elevation Tour to hear Mr. Mullen Jr. beat those notes. The song... Sounds like a prayer now. I feel it in my soul. I can't believe the news today. That is Hillary: That's amazing. That's somebody who gets it for sure. Jenny: Yeah. And like going to look up Bloody Sunday at 11 years old, that about the song. ⁓ OK. Beth Talisman, our friend Beth, who all as U2Nurse long time ago on Twitter. My younger sister was... It was so good to hang out with her. So good to hang out with her in New York. My younger sister was very early fan and wrote a paper in high school about the song. Hillary: Yeah. ⁓ What a kind person. I'm sorry, go ahead. Still kind. Yeah. Jenny: It was so impressive, I asked her about it. All these years later, we GA'd together. Hillary: my god, I just got chills. Jenny: I know, wrote a in high school about it too. Specifically about the speeches that Bono it would give. John Connecticut says an absolute masterpiece, sacred text, the performance in Rattle & Hum changed me as a kid and the on the Songs of Innocence tour did it to me again. It took me time to recover after that. Songs of Innocence was intense. Hillary: It's amazing and like I've heard like several people say they didn't like it and I get it. not a song that's meant to be acoustic ⁓ listen to those drums. That's you need to hear. It's not the rest of the song. ⁓ It's drums and that's what you get from that performance. Jenny: as it. And I wonder if the presentation of it made them uncomfortable. Hillary: That could be. Yeah. Jenny: Like the intro with the car radio and the bomb going off, like, it's not meant to be pleasant. Hillary: Mm-mm. No, it's not. Jenny: So if you didn't like it, maybe that's the point. Hillary: Yeah, I'm just, ⁓ my God, I mean, time I've seen it ever, it's amazing, but those it was just so powerful. Jenny: Yeah, yeah. Okay, your friend Ellen, Karuba? Whoa, that's so fun. Sunday Bloody Sunday was the first U2 song I heard. I was up in my brother Doug's room in 1984, question mark. I loved it so much that I saved up my babysitting money to buy my own copy. Many other U2 albums followed. While I've had my favorite, Hillary: Yeah. Yes, I went to high school with her. Yeah. Jenny: groups throughout my life, U2 has remained a steady second ever since then. That's fair. Yeah. Hillary: Aww, thank you Ellen, that's... I'm loving these stories. Jenny: And I never thought like, like some, usually people's favorite band doesn't change. But could you imagine like your favorite band changing, but like a steady second, like that's, I feel like that's a real solid spot. Josh Vaskovich says, first of all, this week he was responding to your reminder with the deadline. He says, ha ha, thank you for the grace period. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. ⁓ okay. Jenny: What is there to really say about this song that hasn't already been said from its visceral sound and urgency to the relevancy all these years, perhaps even more so now, it really does beg the question, how how long must we sing this song? Okay, have three more, not including your friend Greg's dissertation. Hillary: Okay. Okay. Jenny: says one of my favorite songs. was able to visit the Sunday Bloody Sunday Memorial, the Bloody Sunday Memorial in Derry. And this song really hits me on a new level. Bestie @adamskimono Sunday Bloody Sunday such a powerful and recognizable song. It stirs so many thoughts emotions in us, just like the rest of the Amazing War album. The imagery and performance of Sunday Bloody Sunday during the Innocence Tour. was so powerful, how does this band continue to move us again and again? Hillary: Awesome, I love it. have my own little Sunday Bloody Sunday story ⁓ It's just funny, but I was seeing the band U2topia. Jenny: Yeah, I want to hear it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hillary: And while they're playing, like over the night, I started calculating like what's left. And I did concert math, which I do frequently. anyway, I'm like, what's left? And I started to say, I think I said to Garden Tart, adjacent and guest, Lauren. Jenny: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hillary: I turned around and she was like, what do you think's next? And I went, buh-duh-dup And I, the drums did it at the same time as I did. Like totally. And I used to, we both just sat there like, how the heck did that happen? Jenny: It's one thing to guess the next song. It's another thing to start it when they start it. That is a whole other level. Hillary: Yep. And I mean, I like, don't even know how the hell that happened. But it was, it magic and, know, alcohol. But I can't believe I said, buh-duh-dup And yeah, I mean, the looks on our face we were both just like. Jenny: That was some damn good concert math. Hillary: Yeah, yeah, it was a great version if you the chance to see them sometime. U2topia. Jenny: yeah, I can't wait to see them sometimes. They've been ⁓ great, yeah. My last one is Tamara says, a bit of an essay apols in advance. Under a Blood Red Sky live at Red Rocks was my gateway to U2 I remember being round at a school friend's house as a kid. It was summertime and her older brother was playing it on his VHS player. Hillary: Yeah, yeah. Jenny: I was immediately captivated. So all 13 of these of those songs are forever close to my heart, including Seconds, which I didn't get a chance to reply to you guys about the other week, but can sum it up in eight words. I love seconds, desperate to see it live. Sunday Bloody Sunday was in particular was so impactful. Larry's powerful intro, Edge's singing guitar. Hillary: Yeah. ⁓ ⁓ Jenny: Adam's aggressive base and Bono's poetic, political, scathing and passionate plea-filled lyrics. then out come the white flag and the entire audience was so all in. Then did that thing with finishing the song, ⁓ but it back up again. I've never seen anything like it. I was watching this performance the whole being like, who are these guys? I didn't know about them back then or about what was going on in Ireland. or about much of anything, really, my world was so small at the time. From that moment on, it got so much bigger. Hillary: Awesome. need to go back and listen to our ep about... We an ep where we watched... Red Rocks and talked about it. there a part Bono turns his head like, ⁓ he's to see something. ⁓ Puppies! ⁓ Jenny: Yeah. Puppies! ⁓ it's like he was leaving the stage and he's like, they're starting again Hillary: Yeah. Jenny: It's like, dumbass, you're the singer. Hillary: not just will, but yeah that was I that like discovering that little just that little bit was Jenny: Yeah. We have like a whole GIF series around it. ⁓ We'll have to go look into that. Yeah. What do you want to do? You want to read Gregg's? Okay. Hillary: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'll read grades. I gotta put my glasses on and get smart. ⁓ I really, I can see so much better. my friend Greg wrote a, I mean, I asked for him to do it, but he wrote a really good short essay that, it's just amazing. But I've known him since I was a little kid. He is best friends with my cousin. So, okay, I'm reading it as Greg, so bear with me here for a second. Hi everyone, Greg Brooks here coming to you from beautiful Richmond, Virginia. I'm a 40 year plus fan of the band. having seen them for the first time in spring of 1985 at the infamous Hampton Coliseum on the Unforgettable Fire Tour. Side note, I them the very last show of the Joshua Tree tour at the same venue, December 1987. This was the famous show where Larry came out in front of the drums and did his version of Tequila Sunrise. If you haven't heard that. Google it because it's funny. I've also played drums in a U2 tribute band, very tongue-in-cheek, even better than the real thing, for almost 20 years. Hillary may have been to a show or two over the years. I've been to a lot of them. Jenny: ⁓ yeah. I assume he's saying that in dress. Yeah. Hillary: is being perceived. but no, I the first time I saw them was on my birthday and I'm like, ⁓ for ⁓ it's me. Thank you. It's my birthday. Jenny: Yeah. Hillary: Okay, let's get into it. Iconic song intros. When you think about the most famous guitar intros of all time, you can't not think about Smoke on the Water by Deep Purple, Layla Derek and the Dominoes, Sweet Child of Mine by Guns N' Roses, Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix, and the all-time great ⁓ Johnny Goode by Chuck Berry, and my personal favorite, a little obscure, Lay It Down by Ratt. You now switch to the most iconic drum intros, Wipeout by the Safaris, Rock and Roll by John Bonham, and Led Zeppelin. the short, simple, magical intro to Rock With You by Michael Jackson, Walk This Way by Joey Kramer and Aerosmith, Take the Money and Run from Steve Miller Band, ⁓ and in conversation on topic, Larry's intro to Sunday Bloody Sunday is always indeed ⁓ a love it or hate But what makes this intro so iconic and More importantly so great it's based on a military snare pattern. Larry opens with a sharp, martial snare cadence that sounds a lot like marching roll. Deliberate and aggressive. That immediately sets a tone of the tension and conflict before a single guitar note is ever played or a lyric sung. It's doing a bit of storytelling work before the rest of the band even comes in. It's also sort of an unexpected part ⁓ to be played in a rock in the ⁓ 80s. The drum part also matches subject matter perfectly. The song is about troubles in Northern Ireland, specifically to the Bloody Sunday Massacre. A military drum pattern isn't just cool and stylistic choice, really bold and thematic loaded. as you listen to the drum intro and then Edge's guitar line, you feel the march, the conflict, the weight of it before Bono says a word. There's even more militaristic snare part in the middle of older live versions of the tune. ⁓ simple but precise. Larry's never mentioned in conversation when discussing greatest drummers of all time. He a very unique style, bold and finesseful, that has never relied on flashy fills or complex grooves. Just serve the song what it does best. So there's nothing flamboyant about it, technically. No complex fills or showboating. It's disciplined and controlled, which actually makes it more powerful. Restraint and of the U2 would sound like a totally different without Larry on the drum kit. Something that was evident a few years ago at the Sphere shows with another drummer. Poor Bram. It creates immediate The pattern has an almost anxious feeling of forward momentum. It doesn't celebratory. It feels like is about to happen, which is exactly right for that song. Years ago I read that Larry came up with it almost instinctively in the studio and the band built the song around it. Which is a good reminder sometimes that the simplest ideas are the most powerful ones it's the most essential part of the song. I'll let rest of you think about that. Thanks to Jenny and Hillary for letting me weigh in on the topic. thank Greg And that amazing. ⁓ Jenny: Thanks, Greg. It was really good. I did not read it before you read it to us. Hillary: Yeah, like how many times, I don't know how many times we've seen U2 together, but I'm fairly certain every one of those times where they played Sunday Bloody Sunday, I say, they just Come on Edge and Adam, just march, march. ⁓ You did it I say it every single time I hear that song. Yeah, march, come on. It doesn't cost you any extra money. ⁓ Jenny: hard to just march just once. Yeah, they're not... No, they're not marching. Hillary: Now, okay, so I don't have any questions. You know what, I do have a question over whisking cake for Bono. That's just like, talk the music behind Sunday Blank Sunday. I mean, your lyrics are all out there, just hanging out. So talk about the music. I'd love to know what, I'm sure you said it a million times, but like a refresher on what you think the music is. Also, ⁓ a of ours said that whisky and cake is just the progression of champagne and ice cream. ⁓ Jenny: NOOOO Hillary: We need... Jenny: do you think of that? Hillary: She said I was- oh my god. Yep. Thank you. That is- ugh god. Perfect. Jenny: It's not what I want, it's what I need. that is perfect. It's kind of like how you said, like this podcast is just like the next phase my fanzine Hillary: Yeah, it is, it is. Jenny: Yeah, my gosh. ⁓ that's brilliant. I would like to ask Bono over whiskey and cake. with, I mean, obviously things are brewing things are happening in the U2 world and there's new music coming and there's a tour coming. Whether the timing is right, we kind of know that this is the plan, right? does that for him right now? Is he like ⁓ locked in, ready go and in it? he like, ⁓ f*ck, they know. ⁓ Or is... Hillary: Yeah. Yeah Jenny: Or is this, I mean, he's done this so many times, album tour, announcements, are coming. But like, ⁓ there like, ⁓ Jesse Spano? There's not time. ⁓ Hillary: Wow. Jenny: And if you don't know that Jessie Spano referenced you are just didn't Saved by the Bell. Right, cause she's trying to like get a study for a test or something. There's not enough time! Hillary: Yeah. And then I think she starts singing like, I'm so excited or something. did I about on, or at, that we did in the hotel about Kennedy putting man on the moon? Or did I say that to you directly? I'm going to say it again. Jenny: you said it, I don't remember what the... Hillary: Yeah, if I said it, cut it out, but I'm gonna say it again. So we went to this documentary and they advertised that Adam would be there and that's what we thought when we bought our tickets. And then a few days before there was a little audio message from Adam saying he had stuff he had to do and he couldn't be there. so in my head, Bono hadn't... So we went to this documentary and they advertised that Adam would be there and that's what we thought when we bought our tickets. And then a few days before there was a little audio message from Adam saying he had stuff he had to do and he couldn't be there. so in my head, Bono hadn't... told anybody that the album would be out by like the end of the year. he tell And then it was like Kennedy in like 1961. And he said, we'll have a on the moon by the end of the decade. And nobody was prepared for that. Like they didn't have the science. Yeah. And all of a sudden they are like, ⁓ my God, we have nine years to do this. And eight years, whatever. I told anybody that the album would be out by like the end of the year. he tell And then it was like Kennedy in like 1961. And he said, we'll have a on the moon by the end of the decade. And nobody was prepared for that. Like they didn't have the science. Yeah. And all of a sudden they are like, ⁓ my God, we have nine years to do this. And eight years, whatever. I Jenny: You're like You're like Hillary: I kind of felt like it was the same thing. like Bono was like, we'll have an album out by the end of the year. And then everyone, he's like, come on everybody. And everyone has to run to make the album that they weren't planning to, but Bono said it. They call it on West Wing, they call it moonshot speech. I kind of felt like it was the same thing. like Bono was like, we'll have an album out by the end of the year. And then everyone, he's like, come on everybody. And everyone has to run to make the album that they weren't planning to, but Bono said it. They call it on West Wing, they call it moonshot speech. And the President Bartlett from the West Wing said he was going to do that with cancer. Jenny: We are in a prison! We are in a prison! Hillary: Yeah. I mean, it would be nice if had a president that would do that. Anyway, Yeah. Anyway, I think that I think that Bono gave the moonshot speech, which. ⁓ Jenny: You know what it needed to be done. Hillary: Yep. time had passed. Jenny: It needed to done. Yeah. It will have been nine years. Hillary: How we should get some award for hanging in there. Like we really should. Yeah. Jenny: I mean, they're really lucky that COVID was in there. There is a lot of, mean, COVID really f*cked sh*t up. Cause I betcha what, songs of experienced 2017, the tour, Joshua Tree, I bet you after Joshua Tree, they were ready. to do another album, right? And then COVID. Hillary: Yeah, and then they did the rest of the Joshua Tree tour in Asia and Oceania in 2019, right before. Yeah. Jenny: yeah. and then COVID it. So, and then they started doing other projects. So yes, they're lucky that we are patient. Hillary: We're not that patient. We've been screaming about it for years. Jenny: I know, but we did get Sphere and we did get a book tour and we did get Atomic City with Larry and Larry got to have surgery. Okay, COVID, Larry got to have surgery, deep breaths people. Hillary: Yeah, we did. Yeah. Jenny: New music in a tour! Okay, I think we need to say goodnight. Hillary: Sooner than later. Yeah. Thank you for listening. This has been a long ep. Okay, so let us know your thoughts, feelings, memories of Gloria by next Saturday and I'll do a graphic for Jenny: Yeah. Keep an eye for the graphic and we will, unless it gets preempted by something else, talk about it next week. It's great if it gets preempted by something else. Psst, psst. Okay, goodnight y'all. Bye. Hillary: Good night. Bye.