Stephanie Gerber Wilson: this is Stephanie Wilson ⁓ and is Freedom Over Fascism Live. Today we're gonna talk to Dr. Eric Lulove Welcome to Freedom Over Fascism Live. How you doing?

Dr. Eric Lullove: Hi. ⁓ I'm good.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I we've talked about all the things that we could talk about today given the fact that it's the day after the State of the Union. We've got hawk. Right. Well, I didn't watch it, so. ⁓ my gosh, I totally I

Dr. Eric Lullove: which is why I didn't really want to talk about it. You know what? You're probably healthier for it.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I considered that, yeah, just needed not to be watching that.

Dr. Eric Lullove: one thing with with dear leader ⁓ is you know, he He uses the one thing that he's been consistent with throughout his entire life even from the 80s ⁓ is the fact that he ⁓ Firmly believes in tariffs like to his core like we said that Trump doesn't have any core beliefs But he was never really he didn't have anything that really drove to his core I think we're kind of seeing that this is the one thing that is absolutely at his core is he really does believe the tariffs are the answer to everything because of what framed his thought process in the 80s with the Japanese and then the 90s it was the Europeans and then the 2000s has been the Chinese. So this is something that has really gone through his entire core system.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eric Lullove: And what he I mean for somebody who's not ever principled anything. This is pretty evident

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right. Although he doesn't seem to quite understand what it means. Yeah. So let's take that as read and move on. tried to, well, a couple other things I just want to touch on. We won't actually talk about them. ⁓ Hockey with the US-Canadian game, which was awesome. And then they

Dr. Eric Lullove: No, he has no clue. No. That's touchy subject for me having been a hockey player. ⁓

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: my god, they fucked it all up in the locker room.

Dr. Eric Lullove: I'm not wondering if they even had a choice. I'll be honest with you. I'm not wondering if the USAIOC hockey powers that be allowed just Cash Patella to in the locker room. I've been in a championship locker room. I know what that feeling's like. You're not even thinking about what's walking in. You're too busy just being exhilarated over what just happened.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Bye. So you think they did or that they didn't?

Dr. Eric Lullove: The really cool part, honestly, about hockey is, and you saw it with the women and you saw it with the men, is the celebration in an overtime, sudden death type style game winning. It's like complete chaos. is, it is, see the gloves are flying up in the air, the helmets, the sticks, everything's going everywhere. You don't see that in the NFL. You really, mean, the closest thing might be major league baseball with the gloves and the hats and everything, but there's just nothing like a hockey celebration because it's all concentrated in one part of the ice rink, corner, sidewall, half board, whatever it is, right? And it's just, it's like complete pandemonium for like five minutes.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Yeah. Mm-hmm. And I'm sure the adrenaline was high and the alcohol level was probably high very, very quickly.

Dr. Eric Lullove: ⁓ my God. ⁓ hockey players can drink. You're from Boston. should know. mean, I'm from the like hockey players can drink. We can we can throw down.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right. It's just, it's really, it's an, I don't want to just say it's an unfortunate situation because they probably had very little choice and didn't quite even clock what was going on. But also like if you're representing the United States, you gotta be paying attention.

Dr. Eric Lullove: I'm I mean these are these are kids. I mean, these are 25 year old kids. I mean they They could they could have said, know what we're gonna do this in the summertime Like we all have to get back to our teams. The league starts again on Wednesday. We need to get back You know, we've been gone for two weeks. We need to get back to our families. We need to get back to our lives. We have you know so I There could have been a better decision

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right. Well, the other piece of hockey that's been in the news lately is heated rivalry, which is a completely different story. And and someday I will have a conversation about that with somebody on here because I am a fan and I also that's the kind of books I read and I read the books when they came out five or six years ago. So

Dr. Eric Lullove: totally different.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Let's put a pin in that.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Yeah, we had to put a pin in that. That could take up whole hour.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: watching the ⁓ the hearing for Surgeon General that Dr. Casey means not clear me whether she actually has a medical license.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Yeah. I'm gonna use the term, I'm gonna use the term doctor only because she did graduate medical school. And that's about the, that's about where it should end. We're talking about, we're talking about a woman who went to Stanford University, graduated medical school, got an ENT residency training program. So ENT is otolaryngology, right? So ear, nose, And she quit.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right, she.

Dr. Eric Lullove: three years into a residency training program. In a five-year training program, she quits after three. She lapses her medical license, so it's inactive, right? To become an Instagram influencer, to peddle supplements, blood glucose monitor devices with her crooked brother-in-law or whatever, you know, gets fronted by her company $20 million by... a guy who's been pushing out anti-vax, anti-pharmaceutical, supplemental witch hazel products on the market. So of course she latched onto RFK and latched onto this whole maha movement.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Mm-hmm. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: We're talking about somebody who in 2021 was taking psychedelic mushrooms because she couldn't deal with her breakup in her social life. that was the only way that she could stabilize her mental state so that she could remarry. And then she just had a child, which is why her hearing was delayed. ⁓ Right. So, you know, in the hearing, you know, was asked some very poignant questions from the Democratic senators in the help committee.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Yeah, well, they scheduled it for the day she was due, which was,

Dr. Eric Lullove: So the the senators on the help committee are chaired by you know senator cassidy who had the deciding vote whether or not rfk got The secretary position and he failed miserably. I have no I have no Belief in the fact that he's actually going to vote no against with her I think he's too afraid of the mega base because he's being primaried So she's probably gonna get confirmed

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Well, and you know...

Dr. Eric Lullove: Assuming that Murkowski and Susan Collins actually grow a spine at some point.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: What? No.

Dr. Eric Lullove: You know, you know, so Susan Collins was concerned today in the hearing. She was concerned. That's her tagline. I'm concerned. I have concerns. Right?

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: she was. That's her, that's on brand. That's right. So I turned it on and tried to watch it at a faster clip so I could catch up all the way. And I didn't, but what struck me was that she is savvy enough to say all the right things in her.

Dr. Eric Lullove: without saying anything.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: without saying anything beyond, should talk to your doctor.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Which is bullshit because what she did say though that was really upsetting was making the point in the statement that physicians don't spend enough time to properly inform consent over medications and or vaccines and or other therapies that they're prescribing. ⁓ And her ⁓ her go-to space was root cause, root cause, root cause, right? Well, here's the thing. You come to see me for an orthopedic problem. I'm going to try to figure out where the problem is. That's called root cause philosophy, right? But she believes in a version of medicine that has no board certification. If it does, it's not accredited. It's functional medicine. It's not accredited medicine. She... You know, like went after like glycosate, which, you know, produced by Monsanto is the whole Roundup thing, right? And you're in Massachusetts, so know the whole what happened with Roundup. And that was actually a dose dependent problem where that, all those issues where they had glycosate poisoning in, I think it was Western Massachusetts, I think.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: well there's been multiple places.

Dr. Eric Lullove: There's been a lot of them in multiple communities where there was actually a batch fabrication problem where they actually increased the concentration and like everything she was saying, well, you know, it's, glycosphates poisonous. Well, so is water if you drink too much of it. Okay. I mean, anything, anything in large enough quantity and over consumption is, is toxic. Whether it's alcohol, Coca-Cola, orange juice, water.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Yeah, although, you know. Although to be fair, those chemicals are not great for the human body.

Dr. Eric Lullove: No, but they don't cause cancer. Right? The whole point was that the glycosate's been used for 50 years as an herbicide. It does not cause cancer in the concentrations that the FDA had approved it originally. you know, and let's put in fact that, you know, the administration just signed an executive order that is protecting Monsanto. But she's out there testifying, and even RFK walked it back. But they were getting into agricultural medicine and this is not stuff that's the purview of the surgeon general. No, they were getting into soil health and her whole thing has been about healthy food. That's fine, I have no problem. You want to eat healthy food, but here's the problem. Go back and look through human history when we were eating nothing but organic meat and drinking raw milk.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: No. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah, and we didn't have any antibiotics and...

Dr. Eric Lullove: No antibiotics, no sanitation, no pasteurization of the... Guess what people were dying from? Organic meat disease and bacteria. If they didn't get eaten by a dinosaur. Or septicemia from a cut, right? Like just, you know. So, I mean, like her whole thing has been like, you want to make like whole food more available, make it cheaper. Okay?

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Bye! Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Everything we eat has some sort of process to it even when you make food at home, right? You take a little bit of sugar a little bit of salt a little bit of wheat a little bit of flour you're composing and processing things to make bread Like bread just doesn't come off of a tree and it doesn't grow out of a ground and it you have to like, you know It's the same thing with potatoes like you can you can make a potato But you can't turn that potato into bread without doing something else to it You have to process it

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: All right, and you apply heat.

Dr. Eric Lullove: So like her whole food argument is just, it's wonky and it's, she's a, she really shouldn't be confirmed.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Well, it's an answer to... ⁓ I think it's a reasonable answer

Dr. Eric Lullove: Speaking of

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: to a different question. So ⁓ the question, mean, ⁓ all of ⁓ is ⁓ on assumption that ⁓ all things are equal. All things are equal, we should eat more healthfully. Yeah, absolutely. But all things aren't equal. ⁓ huh.

Dr. Eric Lullove: ⁓ huh. Yeah, we should all exercise more, we should all sleep more, we should all stress less and... Right.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: We should all have money to go buy organic food. We should all have the benefits of medicine you can take to stop the food craziness noise in your head with GLP-1s because lots of people have, you know, strange chemical ⁓ compositions. And the other thing is we need to really focus on like So I don't have the anti-functional medicine in certain cases bias that you do. I think that it can be if somebody is using Western medicine, if they want to supplement it with other stuff, great ⁓ for certain people at certain times. But the real problem is that there's not enough access. I mean, it's Bernie Sanders was saying. We don't have access to affordable, high quality healthcare.

Dr. Eric Lullove: And let me say this. I don't have an anti-functional medicine bias. I I prescribe nutrient supplements out of my practice for my diabetic patients, for my nail patients, for... Patients who are undergoing medical shockwave therapies for orthopedic conditions, for pre-surgery, they take, you But that's also in conjunction with traditional medicine techniques. So I use the supplementation because there's evidence that shows that when used concurrent with traditional medicine, there's a therapeutic benefit. Now, is standalone therapy? Absolutely not. I can't condone functional medicine as a standalone therapy because it's almost like kind of practicing Christian scientism. Like you can sit there and go pray all you want. God ain't gonna take the cancer out of your gallbladder. know, the gallbladder's inflamed and it's about ready to rupture. God ain't gonna save you there. You know, it's the doctor with the scalpel blade. And, or the appendix, or you know, you've got a 30 centimeter, you know, retroperitoneal tumor that's pressing on your kidney. All the praying in the world and supplements in the world are not gonna reduce that. That's why we have chemotherapy, that's why we have surgical excision, that's why you do PET scanning, it's why we do, we actually use science for once in while to treat patients, believe it or not. There's actual scientific method.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Well, right, and we're coming across one of the things that bothers me so much, so many things, is there's new science where there's vaccines for cancer. mean, the one from a long time ago, HPV, new mRNA vaccines. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: Like, yourself. For like, for teenage kids, yeah.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Donna asks, what's the life expectancy in wealthy areas versus life expectancy in low income areas? There's a massive, massive ⁓ delta.

Dr. Eric Lullove: ⁓ it's huge. I think it's like 6.7 years or something like that. It's statistically significant. And that goes with economics too. That goes with the income gap as well. Patients who are in poor socioeconomic areas get less care. It's just the reality of health care economics. But I get into these discussions with my colleagues over social determinants of health.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right. mean, and that.

Dr. Eric Lullove: part of me doesn't believe in him. part of me does.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Well, there's always outliers in every direction.

Dr. Eric Lullove: There's always an outlier and like one of the things that I always try to be is real Like even when I'm talking about the medical stuff and there's really stuff that I honestly have no knowledge based on but I try to learn So I can at least kind of on a periphery discuss it generally You know social determinants of health don't change the disease a Patient who's diabetic for example

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eric Lullove: who has an elevated A1C, it doesn't matter whether you live in Brookline, Massachusetts, or you live in the poorest part of Western Massachusetts. Okay, diabetes is diabetes. The disease doesn't change based on your income level or your socioeconomic standard. And this is the argument against social determinants of health is that the disease doesn't change because...

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: The disease doesn't change, whether...

Dr. Eric Lullove: you have the disease. The disease changes because you have the ability to treat it properly. But the disease itself is not determinate based on health.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Well, I it's a whole, I think there in wealthier areas, there is more access to both healthy food and care I'm type two diabetes, for people to perhaps be able to avoid it. ⁓ There's there's medicine, there's food, there's JLP one, you know, there's a whole.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Well, yeah. I mean, listen, there's a distinct, there's a definite relationship between, you know, level of socioeconomic status and healthy, okay? It's the difference between in like inner city Detroit, inner city Boston, inner city Charlotte, you know, Jackson, Mississippi, where instead of, you know, a true food on the corner, it's a liquor store.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Mm-hmm. It's not, it's the food deserts is also the in the rural areas. There's

Dr. Eric Lullove: And rural areas too in Western Iowa. ⁓

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: In Indiana, where I was doing some work, ⁓ right after the abortion ban, was, think, ⁓ there were so all of the OBGYNs were leaving and training OBGYNs couldn't happen in state. so lots and lots of people in rural areas had no access to. OBGYNs, either with pregnancy or pregnancy loss or anything that goes with, you know, the female ⁓ reproductive system. ⁓ And because because I don't know how I get to abortion because abortion is is healthcare and if you can't do it, then you can't train on it. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: I think you just me I think you just I think you just selected it

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I did select it. But the point is these health care deserts in rural areas are getting worse when they cut the Medicaid. you know, I live in Boston. There are like six Harvard-associated hospitals, if I'm doing my counting right. There's at least one affiliated with Boston University. There are like eight teaching hospitals where they do the ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: Right. Well, Boston's, mean, yeah, Mass General, it's, you're in one of the epicenters of medical research, one, and you have MIT, which then pushes all that technology to the med schools and the teaching hospitals. So you're in a very unique area. It's like no different than being at, in Minneapolis. You know, Minneapolis, because of Mayo,

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eric Lullove: There's a lot of the healthcare tech is around Minneapolis. Most people don't know this, that a lot of the healthcare technology companies are based in Minneapolis because of Mayo, because of the, and Mayo, Boston, believe it or not, not so much New York, because of the, but so like you're talking like, you know, in Houston.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right, and here too, because.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Okay, the really large, really profitable foundation medical centers and university based health centers have a lot of research based technology companies for care. if like, it's, it's right, right. So even even low socio economic environmental people who live in the greater Boston,

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right, and then there's clinical trials that you have access to and.

Dr. Eric Lullove: 200 mile radius have access to those teaching hospitals. But somebody who lives in Western Texas, for example, or lives in Four Corners US, The closest city is Santa Fe, does not have access to that. University of New Mexico, Santa Fe does not have the same. resources that UC Santa Barbara has or UCSF.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: My dad's getting his ⁓ dementia treatment through UC Davis, which is doing a huge study on what I mean, he's in clinical trials and whatever, because he lives in the Bay Area and has access to the.

Dr. Eric Lullove: I mean, I'm in Southeast Florida, so I have the University of Miami Health System, we also, believe it or not, I've got Mayo down here. Mayo's opened up satellite clinics. University of Florida.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Really? That's great.

Dr. Eric Lullove: know, HHS has a hospital down here and Cleveland Clinic. So, So, yeah. So, I mean, I have the University of Miami system. I've got Cleveland Clinic. I've got HHS, University of Florida. So, like, for most people, they have to drive 30 plus miles, which at that, when you have to drive 30 miles, that's considered rural healthcare.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Wow. Wow, that's more than I would have thought. Yeah, but a lot of places there isn't anything in 30 months.

Dr. Eric Lullove: And what Maha is trying to explain, they're saying, ⁓ this is the greatest thing in health care since we created health care. And it really isn't. It's actually the most dangerous thing that they've created because it creates gaps. It creates health disparity gaps in the population. Because, I mean, You we've had this on, you've seen me put this on different conversations with different people, I, because they want us dead, And sick.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: ⁓ yeah. Dad broke stupid sick in whichever order.

Dr. Eric Lullove: They want it, yeah, it doesn't matter what the order, they don't care what order it is, as long as they get what they want, is that they really want us uneducated, poor, and sick. Because those three factors means we're controllable.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eric Lullove: And when you can control a population, then you've got the ability to manage the messaging. Because then people become desperate.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right. mean, if we're going to go that far, it's not just, ⁓ you know, poor, stupid and hungry. It's, ⁓ you know, when they're very desperate, they would, they can, they will inform on their neighbors. They will. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: Yeah, you're seeing it now. You're seeing what's happening. I mean, even with ⁓ Melissa in South Carolina, she literally is, she just announced that she's temporarily leading blue-hit media because her entire town is being, her area is being overrun by ICE. And she's a Norfolk, which makes no sense because it's a military town.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right, she's in Norfolk, Virginia. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: mean, Norfolk, Virginia, it's naval base. So you've got ice running around a freaking naval base.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right. No, doesn't. Well, I mean, most of it doesn't make sense. It's there to instill fear. mean, down the street from where I am, there's an ICE facility that is in ⁓ an office park right next to the mall that everyone goes to. And, ⁓ you know, it hasn't become huge here because they've been busy in Minneapolis and Maine. ⁓ But

Dr. Eric Lullove: I mean.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Quietly, are expanding and they're everywhere. And as Melissa said, it's ⁓ silent in her They're kind of creeping in and taking people. And I don't know whether that's a function of the community not being out there in the streets like Minneapolis ⁓ or because it's a more area, but ⁓ they...

Dr. Eric Lullove: Probably both.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: They want to take people so that they can ⁓ fill up private prisons and concentration camps. Yes, concentration camps, gulags, ⁓ so that they can traffic young women and or make breeding factories and kill off the rest.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Hmm? Concentration camps. Well, what it is. It's home what they are. Sound familiar? Sound familiar in history?

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: And once they get through taking anyone who looks remotely brown, they're just going to move on because they'll never be satisfied.

Dr. Eric Lullove: and and they will eventually come for you know once they've taken everybody else then they'll go after the ones that support them well they'll eventually get to they'll eventually get to their mega loyalists they'll get them but here's here's the really the worst part about everything is is i think jill just put a question there do you think most americans are realizing that's the challenge of reaching the brainwashed mega mega mega maja loyalists So here's where it comes down to, Jill. MAGA slash MAHA will make excuses for their loyalty to Trump and the rest of the party elites to having without having to, because it avoids having to deal with their own inadequacy of their decision-making process. ⁓ well, you he's going after the migrants. He's going after the illegals. Well, no, he isn't. He's actually going after American citizens and he just killed, you know, he killed two white two white Americans in the street killed. What was his name, Parker?

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: but there's untold numbers of.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Plus the 32 that died in custody that were Hispanic immigrants, whatever. And they'll keep making excuses. I like his policies though. His policies are, the stock market's doing really well for my family. You know what? Most people don't, right? Yeah, and gas prices is never an indication of the economy either because that's a commodity. It's like pork bellies, right? So. ⁓

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Well, in fact... Yeah, but they don't have any money in this stuff. That's my point. What is a pork belly?

Dr. Eric Lullove: pork belly is the fatty part of the bacon like it's the under part of the pig where you can you know well I better better living better living with bacon bacon always makes bacon always makes taste stuff make stuff taste better that's that organic meat that we're you know it's the other other way it's the other other white meat so no but like we're

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Yeah, this is, you know, someone who didn't grow up with pork products. Yeah. Yes.

Dr. Eric Lullove: We're in a, we're in, everybody's like, ⁓ we're in a political, you know, it's a political nightmare. No, it's not really. We're in a, we're in a human rights.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: catastrophe.

Dr. Eric Lullove: First Amendment catastrophe.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Absolutely are.

Dr. Eric Lullove: And we're not, we're not, but let me get to my point is that MAGA will continue to make excuses for MAGA. These people are so far gone that unless a nuclear bomb went off in their backyard and it was labeled Trump says hi, they're not, they could care less. They, they're like, it doesn't affect me. This is not my issue. I don't, I like what he does. I was just in the barbershop this morning. And one of the one of the one of the yeah, like nice and tight like like my fade anyway, so You know, it's So like my barber who's one of the owners doesn't follow politics at all One of the barbers is ex-military And he's very vocal in this in the barber shop and they've talked to him about it Because he's pure magna

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Nice, good hair. Good job. Yeah.

Dr. Eric Lullove: And his takeaway from last night was that Trump's statistics were off. That was his takeaway was, well, just had, some of his numbers were fabricated.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Well, that's better than it's been, but it doesn't actually change the bottom line.

Dr. Eric Lullove: One of the other clients that was sitting in the other owner's chair, okay, was pissed that when the girl, when he showed the girl that got stabbed on the bus and he went through the story and it was really vulgar what he was doing, because he went through the whole story about how she was sliced open and the blood was pouring out. Like he was kind of like glorifying the trauma. for some sick sadistic reason, he's explaining this on national television in, know, that's a whole nother level of psychological analysis that I really can't get into, you know, but like, but he was pissed because the Democrats didn't stand. Now I was pissed because the first thing that they should have done was got up and walked out when he started lying about everything. They should have just gotten up and walked out. Just. Make the statement, don't give him the satisfaction of you sitting there and not standing for anything or applauding for anything. Just get up and leave. Like that would have been a better statement or just put pictures of all the Epstein survivors in your seats and then get up and leave. Like, I mean, that would have made a statement. Tell me what you're for. Okay. Right. And Jeffrey's just sitting there like this.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I completely agree. Always tell me what you're for. Yeah, that's it.

Dr. Eric Lullove: The whole time, Jeffreeze is like this.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right, because yeah, it was interesting. I watched Adam Kinzinger for five minutes before the State of the Union. He said, you know, when you're sitting in there, wait, wait, but listen, this has nothing to do with ideology. He's like, you're sitting there and all you can think about, it's hot and they have these lights and you can't go to the bathroom if you need to. And all you can think about is am I supposed to stand? Am I supposed to clap? If I don't clap, well, the leadership, like it was all just like,

Dr. Eric Lullove: of why Okay.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: his internal monologue being in the room. Like I, I'm not going to get into whether, you know, Adam Kinziger, what, what his story is, but the fact that, that that probably is the inner monologue of most of the people in there. It is like, what am I supposed to do now? Like they should have walked out or, you know, Al Green always comes up with something or not go.

Dr. Eric Lullove: or not go or not go or if you just don't want to be there sit in the back Like I feel bad for the Supreme Court justices as much as I like don't really like having on I could really not give a shit about Roberts or

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I lean can, no, that slipped the tongue. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: No, no, no, no, no. No, don't ever mention her in Supreme Court in the same sentence with me again. That's like a big no-no. Amy Coney Barrett. You know, I mean, he literally blasted them. He like stood there like 10 feet away from them and just was like, that was a bad decision. I'm sure like, like like, like crazy grandpa scolding like the kids. Like it was just, it was, you know, they don't even get me started with Alien Cannon because she's just a complete.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: What's her name? Amy Conbert.

Dr. Eric Lullove: There's gotta be a way, literally, like if I literally had a choice in the matter, I would figure out a way to get her off the bench. Like I would just basically like be like, you're done. Like I would order the chief justice for the Southern District of Florida, be like, listen, you need to suspend her and put her through judicial review. Cause she doesn't know the law. Like it's obvious she doesn't know, you know.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: belong there. Well, she's compromised and Jillis Cannon has compromised Kavanaugh and Thomas and Roberts.

Dr. Eric Lullove: They're all compromised. They're all compromised.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Yeah, I mean, I think Sotomayor and Kagan and ⁓ ⁓ What's her name? God, you make me do this. ⁓ The newest justice.

Dr. Eric Lullove: I make you do this? It's the first time we're doing this. I make you do this? Really?

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Yes, it's all your fault. shit, I can't remember her name. I'm sorry. The Newest Justice. No, the other one. Thank you.

Dr. Eric Lullove: To whom? Amy Comey Barrett. ⁓ no, Katansi Jackson. You

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Sorry, guys. mean, it got like, we got like, you know, migraines, menopause. It's just not a good combination for names. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: That, that, that perf all over there. So everybody, the next time you want to see Stephanie on freedom over fascism, there's usually going to be like a yellow caution tape, like before you enter the chat room and before the subtext, it says, please enter your own recognizance.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: She might get names wrong. She may completely lose her train of thought in the middle of a sentence. You know, somebody commented on one of my, ⁓ and this isn't you guys. I know this isn't you guys. I hope it's not you guys, commented on one of ⁓ my videos. You know, it was really interesting, but if you could just finish your thought and not take so long in asking your questions. And I was like,

Dr. Eric Lullove: You Listen, I don't think people in the chat truly understand how difficult it is to host a show. Like, I public speak for a living. I'm constantly doing podium presentations. I'm always traveling and doing stuff for medical conferences. I have one next week in Tampa. I've got one the following week in Boston. I'm used to speaking in front of people, and I don't have a problem telling people what I think. And I've done enough Zooms that, no, this is a facade, really. I just, you know.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: It's not.

Dr. Eric Lullove: And I literally, you don't cower in front of people. I want to be challenged. want to have robust debate. I want to have the ability to fight back verbally. Plus not to prove that my point is right, but because I am right.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Eric Luv, right or wrong, never in doubt.

Dr. Eric Lullove: That would be the wrong manuscript right there. ⁓ No, but to basically make the point so that at least you have an understanding of where I'm coming from, whether or not you you disagree with me or agree with me, you have the right to under Article 1, First Amendment right, you know. But the point of having these conversations is not for you and me. Like we do this on ⁓ a... We do these live substacks everybody because we find each other intriguing and we want to engage. But it's also really to help engage all of you in the chat. Because we and all the people that you engage with, if we can give you one or two talking points that you take back to your friends and family that you're like, wow, that was really, that was mind blowing. Like, you know, like, wow, then then we've done our job, you know, as substackers.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: all of the people that you engage with in the real world.

Dr. Eric Lullove: But that just sounds like dirty, doesn't it? I'm a sub-staffer. I'm a sub-staffer.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I've been doing the podcast before. I mean, I was on Substack for a long time, but that was just because they had free email. ⁓ Seriously, I start lives until this fall. But I try to talk to people who have a perspective that not a lot of people have. I mean, there's so much going on in the news. And yes, I'm going to talk to Ellie next Wednesday. Woo.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Woohoo! Love Ellie. Love Ellie.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Ellie's the best. Ellie's the best. know she's phenomenal, but.

Dr. Eric Lullove: For those of you that are not subscribed to Stephanie, do it now before you forget. Just, and and smash the hearts, please. Smash the heart.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Thank you. Smash the hearts. Yeah. So my point is I try to get people that can help us understand where we are, what we're doing, how we can fight back, what we ought to be saying. And it's for the people in the chat and it's for the people who there's a whole lot more who download and listen to the podcast.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Yes.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: on Apple podcasts than are in the chat with us right now. ⁓ And I think that there's lots of people who are doing the breaking news and they're doing, some of them are doing a great job. Some of them are doing a shit job, ⁓ but that doesn't need to be me. And there are lots of people doing, you and Nick who came in, I don't know whether he's still here doing the intelligent masculinity and the.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Walter and Evan.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: and Walter and Evan and the new Manosphere is incredibly important and sort of pushing the bounds of what these substacks are and creating a community. I feel like it's amorphous.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Yes. There's Nick. There's Nick. Hey, buddy.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Hey, hi, Nick. ⁓ This community is something that is one of the most special. I came here because I free email and I'm staying here because of the community.

Dr. Eric Lullove: I didn't think I was going to... Okay, so when I first heard a sub stack, was more like, what is this sub stack? I'm hearing a lot about this. Let me jump on real quick. And as I can hear Stephanie thundering on her keyboard right now in the middle of my thought process.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: No,

Dr. Eric Lullove: So when I first joined Substack, was more, everybody, we didn't really do the intro. I, let me go back and now that we're 35 minutes into this, I'll do the intro now. ⁓ So I'm Dr. Eric Lulove. I am the chief executive and medical officer of the West Boca Center for Wound Healing. I'm a board certified foot and ankle pediatric surgeon based in Southeast Florida. And ⁓ I do a lot of public health policy and I'm one of the national experts in wound healing and wound management. I have routinely been at HHS ⁓ sitting in policy and coverage policy meetings for the last 15 years. And I just got back from one couple weeks ago and basically like kind of threw words out at John Brooks, who's the deputy administrator for CMS and I've sat in the room with these guys from the last basically three administrations. And I can actually tell everybody just right off the bat that these are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet. These are literally the dumbest people running our healthcare administration right now. But anyway, that was my intro. Yeah, that was my intro. Hey, was that good? First time on? Yeah.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: They want us dumb, stupid, and poor. Yeah, it was great intro. That was absolutely great.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Right, so but like getting back to what you were saying is just like, where I got on the Substack was, really what really blew up with me was I started going on Gen X, and that's I think when you and I first kind of met. And I started, and I just happened to make a donation to Feeding America. And then Lawrence and Dana kind of called me out. So then my first Substack show was with them. And... And I started kind of hopping on all the shows and just being in chat between patients and just hopping on here and there. Sometimes I'm for the whole show, sometimes I'm not. Sometimes it's I guess step out because I have patience or whatever. But and then what happened with at the end of last year was that I had been speaking with Evan Fields for a long time. Like Evan and I were friends for on Substack for a few for really a few months, probably since like October. And then Eving kind of told me he was starting to go through his divorce and then he did a live one day and was just circling the drain. He was just. Yeah.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: actually saw that and I wrote to Nick and go, you

Dr. Eric Lullove: Yeah, and I said the same thing. I immediately messaged Nick. I'm like, we got to get Evan on the live. We need to get him to air this out. And that's how intelligent masculinity kind of got born. was really basically Nick, me, and Walter getting Evan to kind of get it all out with guy buddies, where he could be in a safe space to do it. And then.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Mm-hmm. And I watched that, and that was the most incredible, sub-stack session that I have ever seen. all three of you were there for him, but you were guiding him in a way that he could process ⁓ his situation more honestly, in a healthy way. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: in a healthy way. Yeah. And then what Nick has been able to do with what we kind of, you know, and then we kind of started doing, we kind of decided we're going to do this show like twice a month, which is called the Diogenes Club. And then we're going to start going weekly beginning next week. So we're going to be doing it weekly at Thursdays at 1230. But Nick has been doing this whole series with other men.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eric Lullove: that are in Substack. He's done Marlon Weems. He just did Will Fullwood yesterday. He's done Fredrick Poag. He's done Shane Urach. I mean, there's just Walter Rine. mean, Nick's got a show with Walter on Tuesdays for Notes of the Week and stuff like that. But what Nick has been able to draft and write, and Nick is very gifted at this. Like, I really envy his writing. If you need your garbage disposal, then call Nick Perrow.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Nick is gifted at everything. Nick, gifted at everything. And you want a symphony written at the same time.

Dr. Eric Lullove: and if you have any Star Trek questions call Nick Perrow. But anyway so but that but that's really kind of really where this is all kind of gone and I and oh you're welcome Nick we love you too buddy. But where we're all going with this is is This is this community has created this environment where I had no idea who Stephanie Wilson was two months ago. No clue. No, shouldn't have it. Right. I mean, why would I live in South Florida? You're in Boston. Why would I have any right. Or the same thing with Nick. Same thing with Joe Walsh or, you know, Zev Dean, Ellie for I mean, I mean, Ellie is just, you know, everybody knows Ellie now.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Or should you have? I've...

Dr. Eric Lullove: She's like a household name.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I was, she is, and I got, I just saw an article that she wrote, like her first article, and I got her on here, and then she just, she is one of the most talented, special, if you don't know Elly Leonard, she's combing through the Epstein files and finding,

Dr. Eric Lullove: She's special.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: ⁓ So she's finding ⁓ a lot of the information and putting it together in a way that makes sense. Zev Shalev is doing the same, but with the financial side of it.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Yeah. Right. I don't want to discount all of the people that are also helping out. There is a group of women from a Lauren and her whole group of friends. Like they have a whole sub. They have a whole signal chat of, think, like 15 women who I think you should actually talk to as well, Stephanie, because there's this group of like 15 women that are ripping through these files.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr. Eric Lullove: that are forwarding all this information to Ellie, that she's been able to kind of compile. it's really, it's amazing the community that has kind of grown from the Epstein file release and how women are coming together to get this information out, to get it to Ellie, to get it to Kate Justice, that like Zev and Dean and, you know,

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: And Lev, who was in the chat for a while. Yeah.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Lev and Cliff, no, right. you know, it's just, I mean, it's just what, what this, what I think, honestly, the greatest thing that happened to, to the American people, or at least for the community here, was the corporatization of the media. Getting to the point where these fucking asshole billionaires, Larry Ellison, buying up CNN and buying up CBS and all this other shit and forcing everybody into this media. Jim Acosta leaving, Tara Palmieri leaving, Cliff Schechter and David Schuster leaving NBC and coming and forming Blue Ant Media here, and Ellie leaving the New York Times and just, this Katie Fang leaving, Joy Reid, right? And everybody coming here and all of a sudden,

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Katie Feng, yeah.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Like this explosion of like independent media, which I've never seen in my lifetime. When I grew up, you know, it was, was the Detroit news, the Detroit free press. was Walter Cronkite and the other guys that were on the other networks that nobody knew about. Cause everybody watched Walter Cronkite. And then all of a sudden like internet, then it was like CNN was the first full-time news station. You know, we're not going to talk about that other three letter word station that, you know, right. Like.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: It was about a year ago. Yeah. entertainment for others.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Seriously, I think like in this, by the way, everybody, this was not where Stephanie and I had originally discussed this entire podcast to go today. is like that's what that's what makes this. But that's what this is what makes the stuff so organic. Like we're not scripted. We're not a TV show.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I knew it would go where it wanted to go. Mm-mm. And, you know, I have thoughts about some of those bigger creators and being a smaller creator. ⁓ I don't make any money at this, which makes it easier to get burnt out because there's no return. And so I might take a couple of weeks off, but ⁓ yeah, we are. Yeah.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Which is okay. It's okay to unplug. Yeah, you have to. Sorry, I need my chemicals.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Okay. Your chemicals. I I drink, I stick ⁓ ice, ice water and I stick a tea bag in it and you got instant iced tea and it's much better than straight water in my opinion.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Well, could, well, listen, it's only the middle of the day, but I could, I can go to the harder stuff if we need to. I mean, if I really, really want to, I mean, I can go hard here. I mean, this isn't like network TV. I'm allowed to drink alcohol, you know, but I'm not going to open this as warm, but it's, it's, I have a patient of mine who's, who's from Germany. So he brings me all these different beers and, know,

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: ⁓ okay. Whoa.

Dr. Eric Lullove: So October is always my favorite time of the year because he always winds up he goes to Germany in September and then he brings me goes he always goes to Oktoberfest and he brings me back. You know, I have some really, really wonderful patients and I've got some other patients that I really just would throw off a cliff. People.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: to reverse. I mean, that's people. ⁓ No, we're not scripted. I do want to say that this whole independent media, one of the first people to do it was ⁓ Tara McGowan with Courier Media talking to her on Tuesday, guys. ⁓ And now she's got her own podcast. And the more we can make it work with independent voices, especially the ones ⁓ who are doing amazing research or bringing voices in that you don't normally hear or ⁓ just bringing different perspectives. For instance, I kind of wouldn't mind doing a ⁓ woman, a middle-aged woman who's still a parent of a sandwich generation kind of podcast ⁓ just to bring people together who are like, We were older parents, so in the 50s, still have kids in school, have parents that are deteriorating in the middle of menopause. ⁓ I think that, not your wheelhouse, I'm looking at people in the chat and just saying that that's my version in my head of the Manosphere stuff because people don't talk about that either.

Dr. Eric Lullove: It's not my wheelhouse. Not my wheelhouse.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: ⁓ it's getting late, the sun's in my eyes, sorry.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Well, listen, and there's a whole sphere of mature womanhood that gets ignored. You the focus has always been on all the younger TikTokers and the younger women. I mean, you go on Instagram and TikTok and it's all younger kids. You don't you don't really ever see the mature 50 year old.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Well, actually you do. It depends on your algorithm. I see that.

Dr. Eric Lullove: It's true and I since I barely ever go on those anyway, I don't really see much anyway so most of my stuff that pops up is either pickleball related or Something else so that's pretty much my algorithm on like instagram is more pickable. Yeah, it's more

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Instagram. Mine is ⁓ heated rivalry.

Dr. Eric Lullove: and hockey stuff, But I wanted to come on here and really talk about what happened this morning in the hearing. For those of you that have gotten on late, the original impetus was to talk about Casey Means, who is the Surgeon General nominee by the administration. She had her public hearing today with the Senate Health Committee. chaired by Senator Cassidy, who was the one that backed off his idea of not voting in RFK and then wound up voting for him. So it was pretty much a shit show this morning. She's adept at not answering and answering at the same time. Yeah. So her background was basically she, just to kind of reiterate, she basically went to medical school at Stanford.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: ⁓ my God, she was phenomenal at not answering anything.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Never finished her residency as an ENT, which is an otolaryngologist, ENT, ear, nose, throat physician. Never finished her residency, never practiced. never, her license isn't active. She is a disaster. Like of like the 18th scale. She became an Instagram influencer, influencer on functional medicine products, is like supplementals and holistics and snake oil shit and elixirs and got some seed money of like $20 million from I can't remember the guy that seeded her her first company, but wound up going into business with like her brother-in-law. Andreza. Yeah. Mark Andreza. Yeah. She, yeah. He gave her like 20 million to start the company and then she wound up like kind of like forcing patients into these, ⁓

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Was it Andreessen? Mark Andreessen.

Dr. Eric Lullove: blood glucose control meters that they didn't need and Wanda, like with the false claims act and like, it was just all kinds of like federal fraud issues. And then she was not disclosing all of her relationships online, which was a violation of the FTC. But like, was just, there's a lot of like big red flags with her other than the fact that she's a maha moron and won't like, she literally had put out on X. that anybody, any parent giving their child infant newborn hepatitis B vaccine should be criminally prosecuted. Okay. Now, just for those of you that are not medically aware, hepatitis B is one of the most infectious disease viruses that we have. as infants, they have no natural immunity to hepatitis B. It can be transferred through the placenta, it can be transferred through food, can be transferred in the air, can be transferred, I mean...

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I did not know that.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Infants are very susceptible to hepatitis B. And hepatitis B vaccinations and the recommendation from the ACIP, the ACIP from the CDC was to give newborn babies hepatitis B vaccines. Like day one, like day one, right? Soon as they're born, they get stuck. Within like 10 minutes after their Apgar, they get stuck. It's like really like the first vaccine they get.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: like on the first or second day. mean, they look like.

Dr. Eric Lullove: You know, they're saying, nope, don't give babies the hepatitis B vaccine.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Right, again.

Dr. Eric Lullove: It's it's I mean, this is like these are these anti-vaxx fuckers that are all over the ACIP that RFK has appointed. There's only one person left on there that actually is for vaccines because he wrote the book on it. ⁓ But the other seven people are just like just disasters, not even the word for it like. Whatever is worse than like catastrophic disaster. If you could think of a synonym for it and I'm more than happy to have people in the chat that you could come up with something because I don't have a term for it. If you were to put cash, you know, catastrophic disaster in the same sentence and come up with something worse and Donald Trump doesn't count, you can't use that one. But I'm going to go to prison. They're going to pull this podcast and send me to prison.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Yeah, mean, yeah. Well, hopefully not this one. But I just want to, I'm glad that we had, and I think we need to wrap up. ⁓ The chance, I know it went fast.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Really two o'clock already? Holy shit. The power goes like this everybody, I swear to God.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: It went fast. I'm sorry we were all over the place, but I'm not sorry. hashtag sorry, not sorry. And ⁓ let me know in the chat or if on a DM whether you would be interested if I went off on a non-political podcast for Sandwich Generation Women. ⁓ And ⁓ I'm gonna let Eric tell you

Dr. Eric Lullove: I'm sorry not sorry. Sorry not sorry

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: when he is, when, it is, is shameless promotion time right now.

Dr. Eric Lullove: stuff was promotion time. Seamless promotion time. Well, everybody, thank you so much for tuning in all 117 of you. really, Stephanie and I really appreciate it. We're going to have to do this again and have a better script. We were all over the place. We just went, we just displayed. This was like a, this was like drunk grandpa driving the car today. Oh my god, Anyway, she can reach me on Substack at drlulove. I don't have a fancy QR code like Nick does when he puts it up there for everybody, I do not have a paywall. Everything for me is free. I do not make money on you people. It is not my job to take your money. If you want, support my colleague over here because she's she's the rock star superstar. So.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I don't have Q. I mean, I'm not fancy that way.

Dr. Eric Lullove: support Stephanie Wilson, support other sub stackers who are really dependent on your help and your support to get their message out. I do not need your support financially. I'm doing just fine. So I'm good. But support me just by following and subscribing so that you can pay attention to what I do. My focus is more on health care policy and the intersection between health care policy and politics. ⁓ I do stray into cooking every once in a while. I have to put up my bread recipe of the week. I put the bread up yesterday. did not on Monday. I did not actually put the recipe up. I have to do that today, which I'll be doing right after this. So the bread of the week was my homemade whole wheat skillet pita bread. So, yeah. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. No, this is my recipe. It goes with my hummus recipe.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: ⁓ my gosh, is that an Instagram favorite? No, okay, I might need to get that from you. Okay, I might need to get that from you. Well, everything's better than store-bought. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: My better than store-bought hummus. So that's how can get it. That's how you can get it. That's how you can find me, everybody.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Thank you so much, Eric. And you all know you can find me at freedomoverfascism.us. If you have the means, I could really use the paid subscription or buy me a coffee. And I am planning on continuing to have interesting people that have a point of view and expertise.

Dr. Eric Lullove: that interesting. I'm not interested.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: I mean, our conversation may have been interesting if people like meandering, ⁓ blah, blah, but I'm going to try. Yeah.

Dr. Eric Lullove: you Well, we schedule something that's a little bit more structured. if you if everybody gives Stephanie some feedback, if you like the unstructured talk versus something that's like, you know, we're going to go through section one, ABC, section two, ABC or.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: Well, I don't usually do that anyway, because with experts, I just follow where they lead. And some people really like that and some people don't. But I try to just go as deep as I can with them on ⁓ their expertise. ⁓ Monica, I'm not sure that you missed that much, but I think that we missed you more than you may have missed us. ⁓

Dr. Eric Lullove: I don't know how much you miss Monica. I'm just saying.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: But anyway, I loved having you on, Eric. I love our community. I feel like I'm just kind of at the fringes of it. no, OK. All right, excellent. Well, and I do chronic illness with Nick, chronically illing out with Nick Perrow and So-So and Beth Cruz on Mondays at 11 Eastern.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Nah, think it's definitely... Nah, you're knee deep in it with me. We're going to the deep end.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: and freedom over fascism Tuesday and Wednesday, although I might take a break soon. And ⁓ in a bit when I'm done teaching a class on ⁓ empathy-based leadership, I will come back to the Anti-Fascist Book Club on Friday. ⁓ I teach.

Dr. Eric Lullove: And you can reach me at the Diogenes Club at 12.30 PM on Thursdays with Nick Walter and Evan Fields. And that's my only scheduled show I do during the week. A lot of the tough, a lot of the things I do are just kind of unscheduled. So sometimes you might catch me on a surprise live, which is how I like to do things. clearly.

Stephanie Gerber Wilson: a clear lick. So anyway, thank you everybody. Thank you for being here and we'll see you later.

Dr. Eric Lullove: Thanks everybody, have a great day. Fight the fight.