Mike Rogers: Hey Pete, it's great to have you on the show today. 3-5 is a rating, but for lot of competitive senior players, it stops being a number and starts being an identity. And that's the moment it becomes a ceiling. Because once you start believing that's where you belong, you stop questioning the habits, the beliefs, and the blind spots that are actually keeping you there. Now look, working on technique matters. Absolutely it does. But technique is only one piece of the puzzle. Pete: Thank you, buddy. First of all, Mike, I just want to say how proud I am of you doing this channel. I've watched a number of your videos, and I think they're excellent. And I know you. You've taken some of my courses. You've come out to Atlanta. And I know your passion for tennis has been a long time, and that you've been wanting to do something like this for a while. And I really think that you have a winner here. So great job. Mike Rogers: All right, five down, five to go. Here's what I'm taking away from this half of the conversation. The wall between three five and four ⁓ has almost nothing to do with your strokes. It's the limiting beliefs you've been carrying since before you picked up a racket. It's the patience problem. The fact that real change takes months, not weeks. And most of us quit right before it kicks in. It's the tin cup trap, knowing you can make a shot. The players who actually break through to 4-0 aren't just hitting better balls. They're thinking better, competing smarter, and making decisions on the court that their 3-5 opponents simply aren't making. That's the promised land. And that's what we're going after today. Welcome to Insider's Playbook. I'm Mike Rogers, fellow competitive senior player, card carrying 3-5, and apparently a 4-0 in denial. My guest today is Peter Freeman. Thank you, thank you. It's making me a better player, which is an unexpected consequence. ⁓ And speaking of being a better player, the topic we're gonna talk about today is so near and dear to my heart because it's the top 10 reasons why most senior players never reach 4-0 and they're stuck at 3-5. and going for it anyway when the percentages say don't do it. It's confusing foot speed with footwork, which are completely different things. And one of them you can control. And it's spending all your study time watching singles when all you're doing out there is playing doubles. So if any of that landed, part two will drop next week with reasons six through 10. And Peter doesn't let up. Pete: Yeah. Mike Rogers: and I hate to admit it even with all the videos of yours I've that technically I'm still a 4-0. I've been a 3-5 for going on eight years but so I'm really looking forward to today's discussion. founder of Crunch Time Coaching, USPTA elite professional and a veteran tennis coach who has worked with players at every level and with a particular passion for players over 50 who are dead serious about getting better. Peter has seen more obsessed adult players hit the three five wall than just about anyone coaching today. And he's built a list of exactly why it happens. This is part one of a two part conversation. Also, the link to Peter's SliceServeMD FreeServe Evaluation Quiz is in the show notes and it's worth checking out. So if you got value from this, please hit subscribe on YouTube or follow and comment on whatever podcast platform you're listening in. It genuinely helps the show reach more players who need it. I'm Mike Rogers and it's time to go hit some balls. Pete: Yeah, well, that's just before we get into it, that's another thing too, guys is, you know, don't let the 3.5 or 4.0 kind of get you discouraged. It's really about your journey and how much you feel like you're improving the skills that you're acquiring, you know, who you can go on the court with and feel comfortable with. Just like Mike and I were talking a little bit backstage and he's like, well, I'm still ready at 3.5 but I go out and I play with 4.0s and I handle my business out there. I do fine. So Mike Rogers: where we're breaking down the top 10 reasons most seniors never reach 4.0. Today we're covering reasons one through five. So let's get into it. Pete: then he's probably around a 4-0, even if the rating hasn't changed. If you go out on a 4-0 court, you're like, I probably shouldn't do that again, it was embarrassing, then you're probably not a 4-0 yet. So don't let that get you down or be the be-all end-all of this. Mike Rogers: You've made my day. I can now walk around with a whole different attitude. I gotta tell you. Pete: Good, good. That's good. I like to hear that. Yeah. Mike Rogers: let's dive right into this. ⁓ What's a on ⁓ the 10 reasons and did you up with these? Pete: Yeah, so that's a good question. Well, Mike, you know, you've come out to Atlanta and ⁓ I love coaching you because why? Because I feel like you're totally obsessed with the game and about, it's hard to keep up with the years, but I would say maybe about eight years ago, I decided, you know what? I really like coaching totally obsessed adult tennis players the best. In my life, I've coached pretty much everybody, you know, like little kids whose racket is almost as big as them and You know, then really good juniors to where you're like watching like mini pro tennis and then college tennis and then like your adult clinics at your club. But I found that people who really study this stuff online are willing to get in a plane or a train or an automobile to come see me. Like they are totally obsessed and they really are so great at focusing and improving. that I decided, you know what, I don't want to teach anybody else but this type of student because it's just so rewarding. So that's what this list is going to be about. It's going to be about the things that I see as a roadblock, as an obstacle for people wanting to get to a 4.0. Because I know that delineation, I think it's the biggest delineation and a rite of passions is that 3.5 to 4.0. And there are certain skills that you have to work a little harder at. to get there, you know, I do believe that, hey, have you hit enough balls and you really love tennis, you're gonna figure out how to get to a 3-0. And a 3-0 to a 3-5, again, it's like just getting used to match play, figuring out what little shots work for you, hitting more balls, sharpening your technique a little bit, boom, you can get to a 3-5. That 3-5 to 4-0 jump, it can be tricky because there's a lot of skills that people just don't develop. that keeps them from getting on that court. Because when you start to look at 4.0 and above, there are certain things that just look more polished a little, even though 4.0 is a long way from being a professional. I don't want to get the two just mixed up there. But you do start to see some just sharper things being done that look a little more pro-like. And the level is just a little better in everything they do. then from there on out, 4.5, 5.0, you just keep seeing that. jumped right. Wow. They look like really good. Mike Rogers: You know, I had Will Bochuk on and he made a great comment where he said, you know, if you just look at the pros and slow the speed down, you know, 50%, now you're looking at 4.0 tenants. Pete: Yeah, yeah, somewhat, yeah, Mike Rogers: Pete, tell me what's the first reason that we can't get to that 4.0 level? That I can't get to that 4.0 level. Pete: Yeah, Mike, first of all, don't say that about limiting, it's limiting beliefs and we don't want to do that, but we all have them. As you know, if you follow me for a while, I even have my own limiting beliefs and my back is a wreck. And so I battle with that and the thoughts of what I can and cannot do. So just because I'm coaching and preaching doesn't mean that I don't also have limiting beliefs, but we've been conditioned to have them since we were a kid. The number one thing I can think of that pops out in my mind right away is you can't teach an old dog new tricks. So we've been hearing that since we've been young and then eventually we become old dogs. And so we start to think, well, I can't learn anything new and that's certainly a limiting belief. Another one that I think is absolutely huge is as we get older and we start to play tennis, we wish that we had more time with the sport when we were younger. Mike Rogers: Mm-hmm. Pete: We look at kids who are amazing and we say, wish I would have started when I was that age. And I actually tell my adult students like, no, you don't because you see that kid who's like amazing over there. We certainly pray and hope the best for him or her that they're still going to play when they're 40, 50, 60, because it is the number one lifetime sport. But in reality, a lot of these kids get burned out by the time they're 18, 19, 20, and they never pick up a racket again. So you certainly wouldn't wish for that. Then the final thing is, is I feel that since we do start later in life, a lot of players, the cool thing is I think if you start 40 and over and you like it, you're never going to stop playing unless like an injury takes you out. But the love for the game from what I find is people who actually start later in life, they appreciate it more and they are not going to quit. They love the game. And, but they rush the results. They're thinking, Well, I just don't, you I want the shortcut. I always want the shortcut because I'm making up for lost time. I'm this age now and gosh, in five years, I'm going be that age. So like I'm in this race against time. And so I want the shortcut all the time. And I watched an interview with Grigor Dimitrov as he came back in Indian Wells and he's back from an injury and I love Grigor and he's like, he's like, well, as you know, there's no shortcuts. You know, he's like, if there, if there were, would tell you, you know, I want a shortcut. And so. Like the serve is a perfect example. If you want to go from a three, five to a four, you start to notice that there's a much more polished serve on a lot of the more advanced courts. And you can watch a video that makes a lot of sense or you can get a great lesson from a coach that makes a lot of sense. And then you're hoping that one magic bullet is going to transform your serve where the best way to transform a serve is to really go through progression work and have a realistic outlook. If I'm working with a 10 year old, right, If I can make that kid serve really well by the time he's or she is 13, 14, most other coaches, the kid, the student, the parent, they're all gonna be happy with me. Like, wow, you did a great job. I mean, look how good they've gotten in three years. Where if you tell an adult like, yeah, I mean, it might take you one, two, three years to really get the serve developed the way you want to where you're serving in a match, you're accelerating on your second serve, you've got beautiful spin on it, it's going in the box. you might be able to do it by then. I don't have that kind of time. You know, I gotta get it now. Yeah, so you gotta be willing to, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if you can have the tortoise and the hare mentality and be okay with being the turtle, you know, you're gonna blow by a lot of people that you feel that you're always stuck with or losing to and you wish you could beat them. Mike Rogers: You're playing the wrong sport. Because even the guys that have been playing for 60 years, there's no tweaking and improvement. Yeah. ⁓ Well, I know because I took up tennis really at 40 and seriously at 61 is when I started competing in tournaments. And, you know, now I'm going to these age group tournaments where these guys have been playing and they have two million shots under them. So, you know, it does kind of poke into and give me some limiting beliefs like, can I really ever catch up to these guys? And maybe I can't. But if I can be consistent enough and healthy enough. Pete: Yeah. Mike Rogers: you know, I should get my chances. Pete: Absolutely. Yeah. So you want me to go to number two? Mike Rogers: So yeah, I was gonna say that leads right into number two. Pete: So number two actually does lead right in. They bleed together and then I have no patience for real change. So it takes a while to develop a new neural pathway to where you're doing something what we think of as muscle memory and it's automated. And the best way to achieve this is if you feel like... wow, something's really far away. Like I'm this far away from getting that serve to look like I'm watching on TV. I've actually watched a video for the first time and I was, I was horrified at my serve. didn't know I did any of that. If you're one of those people, then you have to embrace the idea of taking as many variables away and spend as much time with as little amount of variables in your way as possible. That's when you have to really embrace the idea. of shadow strokes, progression drills, filming, and slowly stitching everything together rather than looking for that magic bullet. That's going to be your fastest way to result, which feels the longest. Like I play guitar. I'm okay. I'm like a three, five guitar player, I'd say. I'd hate to practice scales, right? But really I know better. from coaching, like, well, if you want to get good, if you want to like impress friends with solos, you need to play the music more slowly. You need to practice your scales. You need to break things down into bite-sized chunks and do that day in and day out. Now here's where I think we get it mixed up. You don't need to do this five hours a day. You know, it's not like you have to make up your time by going, well, gosh, I'm so far behind. I guess I gotta do all these progression drills like two to four hours a day before it's finally gonna stick. It's about the consistency and the closer you do them together. So I'm telling you, you guys have no idea how powerful two minutes here, five minutes there can be. If you do deep focused work, even in short increments, you are going to progress so fast. And again, kind of like going on a diet, maybe you're not gonna notice it right away. And that's what gets frustrating and that's where people quit. If you're working on your serve and doing all the right things, like I'm doing everything you say, Pete, and I've been doing this for a month and it's still not showing up my matches, that's like if you're trying to lose weight and you've been on a diet and exercising for a month. Sure, that's great and that shows that you've made a commitment. But usually your friends don't start making comments like until three to six months later and you have to be ready and willing to do that. Mike Rogers: Well, you're kind of validating, you know, I just started coaching and I'm just working with a lot of beginners and I tell them in between the lessons, spend five minutes a day, shadow stroke and shadow stroke slowly. Don't shadow stroke like, you know, you're trying to knock the felt off the ball because that's not going to help you. And if you do that five minutes every day, when you come back next week, you're going to be hitting that much better and we're going to progress a lot quicker. But you got to just take that time. Pete: Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 100%. Mike Rogers: So how about number three? Pete: Okay, so number three is a tricky one because we're also not realistic on how to use advanced techniques that we've developed. Okay, so let's say that now your coach looks at you, your friends start to look at you and go, wow, like that topspin forehand is beautiful. I wish I had your strokes. And then you're thinking, yeah, but gosh, how do I still lose to you? You have no strokes. You have no technique. And yet you beat me. There's just countless number of players out there like that. Where they're like, I know one of my students until she finally started winning. The worst compliment you could give her is how beautiful her strokes were because she was loose in the people who had ugly strokes. So it would make her even madder. Right? And so where am I going with this? You have to know your 10 cup. Mike Rogers: Mm-hmm. Pete: shots and then you'll become much better at using your advanced technique. So, Tin Cup is a movie with Kevin Costner. Have you seen this golf movie? Okay, so let me explain to the audience. he's always been a talented golfer, but he just kind of ended up kind of being a washed up golf teaching pro because he had certain personality traits that I think kept him from making it on the tour. Mike Rogers: ⁓ yeah. Yep. Yep. Pete: And that got exposed at the end of the movie when he basically was this close from making it to the tour and he went to go hit a shot and he kept like not making it. And then his caddy said, you know what, just play it safe. Just, just put it on the green and then we'll putt in and then you'll get your playing card. You'd be on the tour. But he's like, no, I can make that shot. I know I can make that shot. So he literally played himself out of contention by not accepting his limitations. So when you start to develop advanced technique, you have to realize, like, what's your window of opportunity as far as how fast the ball's coming at you, the amount of steps you take, all that you gotta learn how to subconsciously factor in, okay? And realize that your tolerance level for hitting some of these shots is much less than the pros, okay? The pros even sometimes, certain players you hear on TV, they're like, he needs to... or she needs to stop going for that shot because yes, they can make it, but they miss it too much. And that often is the difference between a Novak Djokovic who knows exactly what to play and when versus a Nikurio, right? Who can hit every shot in the book, but lots of times uses them at the wrong time. So you have to know what they are. have to know like, gosh, when I, yeah, sure. When I take five steps out at a forehand, I can make that. I should make that. Mike Rogers: Yep. Pete: But then you have to know in reality, okay, but I actually probably missed that about 50 % of time. It could even be 40 or 30 % of time, but that's too much. If you can literally go, you know what, if I just play this ball, just chip it, that's why I tell people to hit what you can hit and make what you can't hit. And once you really truly understand that concept, you're gonna be a much better player. Think about that. Hit what you can hit and know what you can hit. Know the shots that, hey, when I set up and I rip it, I make it most of the time. I'm money on this shot. Versus when I go out there, yes, I can still make it. Darn it, I think I should make it, but you miss it too much. Well, think about if you just put that ball in play, what realistically is going to happen? Are you actually hitting the ball over the net to Serena Williams or Roger Federer? You're not. If you make that shot, you're probably still in the point. Mike Rogers: Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Pete: And we know, and you did it with Will Buchak, like if you can keep the ball in play for four shots or more, you're probably to win a lot of these points because most points don't even get to four. So just the power of putting the ball in play is going to make you win so much more because another stat is Roger Federer, right? We know that Roger Federer gave that famous speech of, I'm one of the greatest of all time. I only won 55 % of the point. So if you learn how to do this and be realistic with your advanced techniques and know Mike Rogers: Right. Pete: what you can hit and what you should make, you'll start to use your new shots a lot smarter and be less frustrated with them. Mike Rogers: You know, Brent, who I've worked with, Brent Abel, he always said, don't be afraid to let them hit the ball, you know. Hit another shot so that they could hit it and then you might get the right one you want, so. Pete: Yeah, and Brent's won a ton and one of his really good tips I'll never forget is he asked some female who actually had more gold balls than Brent and Brent has 21 last time I talked to him. Does he have more? Mike Rogers: Yeah, I think he just got another one in the 75 doubles. Pete: Yeah, so he might have like 25 at this point. Think about that. Those are national titles. And he talked to a woman who had more than that. And he was curious. He's like, what do you think about when you're playing out there? And she goes, I just count to three. She's like, I just try and make three balls every single point. And you think about that, we talked about four balls. Well, she makes three balls. How long is that rally? Six balls. So she's like, all I got to do is make three. And the odds go up dramatically that I'm going to win the match. Mike Rogers: Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Right. Right. Yep, yep, I like that. I like that. So, you know, besides hitting that great shot, what's the next rule or reason that, ⁓ you know, that keeps us from advancing to where we want to go? Pete: Well, I think we're up to number four now and seniors confuse footwork with foot speed. And I think it's the number one reason that seniors don't have good footwork because they're like, what's the point in working on footwork? I'm so slow. I mean, when I was young, I was like a gazelle. Now I'm like embarrassingly slow. I'm talking about myself by the way. So I am so slow, Mike, now compared to what I used to be. And it hurts my feelings a bit. But one thing that makes me feel better about myself is whenever I do video myself just hitting for myself, I have really good footwork. And I'm hoping it's something I never lose, because I've trained it from a young age. I have really good footwork. Mike Rogers: Are you watching that at like one and a half speed? Pete: No, I'm watching the way I move the cadence of my split step. It's not foot speed. I'm not moving fast. I'm not able to sprint out to a ball the way Novak Djokovic can, but in between shots, I have a good like boxer shuffle. I split step at the right time. I hit, I regain my balance. There's a rhythm to my hitting and it's dictated by my footwork and I can see that. So I'm proud of that. And that is something that every senior can control and work on and become a much better player because you'll also be moving faster than you actually think you are because you have good footwork, even though you might not be gaining foot speed anymore. You wouldn't be able to beat yourself in hundred yard dash if you raced yourself when you were 25 and now you're whatever age you are, but you'll get to more balls than you're currently getting. And most important is you will make way less on forced errors. And you will also play much less tentative. When you move your feet in a flow, it develops a flow. It develops a rhythm. It takes away this kind of concrete, still, nervous posture that you see out there when you watch club tennis. Right? You can see it. You can see people nervous. You can see people react late. you can see the tentative shots. But when you move in a flow, that starts to go away and your body loosens up and you're playing, and when you start to play in a rhythm, then nerves go away, because it's just a feeling you get in your body. So it's very important. And so how do you develop good footwork? Here's one. Yeah. Mike Rogers: was going to be my question because I started playing at 40 and the coach has never even talked about footwork. Pete: Yeah. You develop good footwork by working on footwork. You cannot tell and yell at yourself to move your feet. And this is where I find most seniors, get, most seniors, first of all, especially ones that come train with me, they don't have a lazy bow in their body. like, you guys, I'll tell like junior coaches that I know, or I used to work with, I'm like, you don't understand, these people come visit me. They're way more focused and work way harder. than some of our best juniors. So it's not a matter of trying harder, being lazy, that's watching the ball. You're doing all that. You're trying, you might be trying too hard. Most people out there who listen to this probably try too hard on the court. Let me tell you that. It's not about trying harder. But yet you probably don't work on your footwork, know, jumping rope and then displaying shadow points, you know, pretending that you're in a point, developing that cadence. And then you can go out there and start to eventually feel that rhythm when a ball is going back and forth. But again, if you don't work on your footwork, I don't want you thinking about it when you're in a rally with somebody because guess what? Just like your serve on video that you think you're doing it, if you were to go back and watch it, you're probably not moving your feet the way you think you are. You have to develop a pattern. This is way boxers learn how to move. Tennis players also have to move and Here's the great opportunity for seniors. Great footwork is a non-negotiable on the pro tour. It is not an option. That's why if you watch most pros who do like to post their content and their training, you can always see them working on footwork in a gym, on the beach, in a grass field, on the court. You see it all the time and they're not even hitting the ball. Right? Because they know like, I must have good footwork. If I don't have good footwork, it's over. Where if you look at most club matches, especially three, five matches, it looks like four chess pieces out there. And if you could be the one who's sticking out like a sore thumb, then you will start to dominate. And again, here's another thing that I'm going to ask you this trick question. I shouldn't have said it's a trick question, but if you worked on your footwork hard, Mike Rogers: Ha ha! Pete: for 30 days, consistently, did everything I told you to do. Do you think you're gonna play better or worse? Mike Rogers: ⁓ I'm going to play better if I work on my footwork. Pete: I think there's a high probability you'll play worse. And again, this is why most people, just like if most people worked. Mike Rogers: Really? That means I'm going to stop doing that when I shadow swing. OK. Pete: That's, now, listen to where I'm going with this. Just like if most students work really hard on their serve for 30 days, right, are most of those students at five, six, 30, 40, just after 30 days of working their booty off, what do you bet the odds are that on a second serve, they're gonna naturally and freely accelerate as fast as they can on their second serve and put a beautiful spin on it? Or would you say, probably not enough time yet. They probably need to spend more time, more reps. It could happen, but I'm not gonna put, I'm not taking out my retirement betting on that. Would you say that's fair? Right. So Brent, you're getting a lot of love in this. So I point that out to my students. Brent Abel, he works on his footwork. And one of the things that he does is when he runs, and I think the other guy you interviewed, who's Brent's friend, he will have a focal point. Mike Rogers: Yeah, not after 30 days necessarily. Pete: and he'll run sprint towards that focal point and he works on keeping his head more and more quiet. So a lot of people don't work on footwork, because also whether it's subconscious or consciously, they play better without it because their body's more quiet and their head isn't bopping up and down. They're just like, everything's more still, C ball, hit ball. even though they know like, yeah, I probably react slower. Yeah, I probably get more balls, but they're not willing to leave that comfort zone because maybe whenever they've yelled at themselves or their coaches told them to their feet, they might play better for a couple of minutes, but then they realize like, whoa, I feel kind of like out of rhythm or boy, this is really tiring or gosh, this is hard to think about. Or they stopped doing their footwork after five minutes. And they're also not used to their radar system, their eyes used to this. movement and up and down. So the rhythm's a little off. That's gonna take time. That's another reason. Most of this stuff you guys know, but you give up and you either give up because you consciously know I'm playing worse or we're very good at survival mode. might subconsciously give up, not even thinking that while I'm playing worse, but subconsciously you're going to protect yourself, go, I'm not gonna work on my footwork because I really don't feel like it's benefiting me yet. So I think it's a waste of time. You see, you gotta give it time. Mike Rogers: So you got to take that step back before you take two steps forward. Pete: Yeah, yeah. mean, some of you might move better. Some of you might play better after 30 days, but don't be surprised if you work hard for 30 days and you're like, I don't see the benefit of footwork because I'm still losing the same people. Again, it's a tortoise in the hair thing. If you just learn to consistently work on this and all of a sudden you start to put these practices into play and you're actually moving your feet, if people start to notice like, wow, you like move so much differently than you did six months ago. Now you start to blow people away. Yes. Mike Rogers: that. Well, and that's the goal. Like for somebody like me, I'm trying to get good. So when I hit the seventies age group and that's two years away, you know, I'm going to be a lot better than I am now. So don't worry about what am I going to do in three months at the next tournament. So Pete: Absolutely. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Mike Rogers: So how about number five? Halfway there. Pete: All right, number five. And this again, I learned from so many people coming to see me, seeing what videos get a lot of views from some of my most popular videos, some of my competitors most popular videos, some of the most popular YouTubers out there like Carousell, who's great, and the most popular players like Carlos Alcares. Most seniors study and watch singles, but they play doubles. Okay. And watching Carlos Alcares is fun. It's entertaining, but it's not going to help you win a doubles match. So if you're out there watching Carlos Alcares and trying to learn like his forehand and his back, not to say that you shouldn't study and copy some of these techniques, but you need to be using them and implementing them in different ways than Carlos does in his singles match. Mike Rogers: you Pete: You know, but we're obsessed with watching the pros because they have a lot of great habits. They look beautiful. And, but it doesn't always, it's not always going to translate to if you're playing a doubles match, it's not always the best use of your time. I'm not saying it's not valuable or you shouldn't look at it at all. But what I'm saying is I think that's where a lot of time is invested and you can just see it, you know, how to hit a four in like Carlos Alcaraz that easily could get. two, three hundred, five hundred thousand views if it's just like a great video, has an awesome thumbnail, and that's what people want. But it doesn't necessarily mean that now all of a sudden you're dominating a doubles court. Does that make sense? Mike Rogers: Sure. you know, especially at the senior level, let me ask you this. Do you think it makes more sense to watch a women's doubles match than the men's doubles match? Pete: Yeah, it could, absolutely. ⁓ Mike Rogers: Because it's a little bit slower, it's a little bit more our speed. They probably have a little bit longer rallies. Pete: Yeah. And I think, I think so, but even, even the women, ⁓ even though we're like, yeah, that's definitely slower. go to the tournaments. mean, they're, they're so fricking good. Like they, and they hit the ball so hard and yeah, I mean, it's good and it's all right to watch that doubles, but I think you really want to like who is winning. That's what I like about your channel. It's like, okay, Brent Abel's winning. at, Brent Abel would probably be the first one to admit like, gosh, if I got a point off of, know, Cocoa Golf, it'd probably be that she double faulted, you know, like, you know, so and he's winning national titles. So it's not always going to, you know, so that's, that's just my only point on that. Mike Rogers: Hahaha. Yeah, yeah, it's not going to translate. Use it for entertainment. And I think Carlos, he likes to play for entertainment, you know, he's not playing to hit a perfectly technique shot, you know, that he's going for the show. Pete: Yeah, ⁓ absolutely. Yeah, Mike Rogers: This has been great. And I see that you have something special for everybody that's ⁓ listening. Why don't you go ahead and explain that? ⁓ Pete: Yeah, so I made a video earlier in 2026 saying this is the only serve you need to focus on. And then we talked about it already, the slice serve. I want to give you guys serve clarity. So I have made a new slice serve course called Slice Serve MD. And I start you guys out by giving you a free slice serve quiz so that we can identify your number one Achilles heel together. and then fix that together. And that takes you through progressions to where you're going to master your arm mechanics, your feel and your imagination. And plus, since I have learned over the years from, I've been an online tennis instructor for probably close to 14 years now, I've learned that there is still a lot lost in translation. So I know a lot of you guys have courses that you've tried hard on, or they've just been collecting internet dust that you never really dived into, and so I also offer with this a free serve evaluation to where you can send me your serve and then I analyze it and I show you your number one Achilles heel and then I give you a drill to work on. And most of the time I'm able to just point out in the course because it is very thorough and it's really all you need. I'll just say, just focus on this video and this drill and then if you want, You can send me another video of your serve too and I'll take a look at that. Mike Rogers: Fantastic. Well, we will have the link to that also in the show notes so people can click on that and take advantage of that. And I really appreciate you doing that for everybody. Pete: Awesome. Mike. Just know I think you're a 4-0 and you're a champ. Mike Rogers: All right. Thank you. And I think I'm a 402, but then I wake up. Pete: That's funny.