Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Hello, welcome again everybody to the Minnesota 7 Vibecast. I am your host, Mark Seidman, and I am joined today by a very special coaching guest, Miss Eva Potvin. Welcome, Eva. Eva Potvin: Thank you, hi. I'm excited to be here. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: We're excited to have you. for you guys, just to kind of set this up, this doesn't happen very often, but a group of boys from Eva's high school team actually reached out and they said, we love our coach so much, you have to have her on the podcast. I thought that was awesome and a great way to start. Eva Potvin: I know, I'm like, I didn't expect that. I'm honored and excited to be here. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: You should be. To get a boy to do anything proactively is a freaking miracle. But to do something like this is outstanding. Why don't you start off by giving everyone just a little background in your swimming and ⁓ swimming career and how you got into coaching, please. Eva Potvin: Yeah, so I grew up over in the East Metro, the Twin Cities, Minnesota born and raised, and St. Paul, yeah, like Battle Creek, if you know that area. And I went to Hillmury High School, been swimming club since I was nine, which is actually really fun because my parents wanted me to play hockey. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: St. Paul girl. Yeah, I'm with you. Okay. Eva Potvin: All my siblings played hockey, my mom was a figure skater, all of that, and I just kept going back to swimming. I had to play a full season of hockey before I was allowed to fully swim. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: That's awesome. Good choice. Good choice. Yeah, least you got it the other way around. Eva Potvin: That's true. Um, yeah. And so I actually ended up getting into coaching because I had to deal with a lot of chronic pain and like injuries when I was in high school. Yeah. Starting at age 13, um, it was actually, it was kind of embarrassing at club meets cause I would need help getting across the pool deck and stuff. But I started coaching cause I didn't think I'd get to swim again and I ended up figuring it out. I still have chronic pain. I'm always going to, but I ended up getting to swim college out in New York. So it was really fun. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: ⁓ bummer. ⁓ where in New York did you swim? Eva Potvin: Oswego State University. Yeah. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Oswego State. What if I told you I've been to Oswego many, many times? We'll talk about that afterwards, all right? Very familiar with the ⁓ Oswego area, or Oswega, as they like to say up there. ⁓ so you got done with college and then you came back to Minnesota. Is that correct? Eva Potvin: ⁓ my gosh, wait, I... Okay. ⁓ Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I got done with college. I came back to Minnesota. I started working in epidemiology and was not going to coach. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: I don't even know what that is. Eva Potvin: study of disease and like how it spreads yeah Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Okay, okay, fair, fair. Little COVID preparedness. Eva Potvin: Yeah, I was so thankful it was after COVID, because I'm, I graduated in 2022, so I made it Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Okay, Okay, you made it past COVID. So epidemiology out, then what? Eva Potvin: Um, I went back to school. Actually, I started working in emotional and behavioral, like intervention at Eden Prairie, which is how they found my resume. Um, and started pushing me to coach for them and Sam Kendall, like I have mentioned before, just really started hitting him up my email and my phone number being like, Hey, you should coach, you should coach, you should coach, you should coach. And I was going to give up coaching because it just felt like I reached a point where I didn't feel Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Okay. Eva Potvin: rewarding because a lot of the coaching that I was doing, have a voice. ⁓ Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Interesting. Talk a little bit more about that. What's coaching without a voice look like? Eva Potvin: any ideas I had were not to like considered. I was just supposed to show up, do what they wanted me to do. And then I. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Glorified lifeguard and set reader. Yeah, that's not how an assistant coach should be. That's not how you develop coaches, people. Anyone listening out there? That's BS. Don't ever do that to your assistants. Eva Potvin: Yes, exactly. That is exactly what I had been doing. So much so that like I had another coach like literally telling me to calm down one time because they were teaching like a technique wrong. And was like saw a shoulder injury ready to happen. ⁓ And so then Sam took me under his wing and it was really collaborative. And I kept like building those skills and building confidence to the point that when Sam stepped down, like ⁓ I to try my hand at head coaching. ⁓ Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, for sure. Excellent and head coaching your head to coaching career has been in high school. Where have you been coaching and for how long? Eva Potvin: Thank I've been coaching at Eden Prairie High School of WIAS for three years for the boys two years assistant one year head coach and then head coach for the girls for one year. I actually did one year with WISEDA as well before going to Eden Prairie. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Okay. Okay. Excellent. Boys or girls? Oh, very cool. So you got to work with some decent coaches that you work with Sam, obviously, who's at Prior Lake now, if I remember correctly. And then with the boys was Mr. Plummer coaching. OK. Yep. Eva Potvin: boys. ⁓ He's actually like, yeah, yeah. Mr. Plummer is not coaching, but I like know Plummer because he's with a guy that played piano at my parents wedding. like, don't know he realizes that. Seriously, like, I don't think he realized that when I met him when I was like nine. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Sounds made up. I'm not buying that. You don't know him at all. Made up. I'm sure he remembers it. Probably the highlight of his career to be honest with you. So what's the first couple of years of coaching been like for you in high school? What have been the positives and what have been some of the challenges? Eva Potvin: I don't know. Yeah. The positives, honestly, definitely, they outweigh all the challenges and negatives. I'm just really honored with the group of kids that I get to work with every single day. This last banquet was so sad. But it's just getting to be in a collaborative sense with them, because that's kind how I approach coaching. At the end of the day, they know that what I say. goes when I'm making decisions with relays and when I'm making decisions with lineup. But if they and like when I'm writing a set on the board or writing a workout, but I always welcome them and say we may still not reach a decision where I'm changing my mind. But as long as you approach me respectfully, I want to hear what your thoughts are and what you're thinking and what's going through your head. that has been really good to see it's been building the kids confidence and also really pushing them to be like a collaborative. team no matter how good you are. I think that's one of things we do really well is that we have like our state level swimmers they're down at the end of the lane cheering for a kid that's never swam before. We have actually had a lot of kids join that have never even passed swimming lessons that now like do 100 or 200 or like want to be better or joined a club after and so those are some of like the really amazing things that I think I get to see. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: That's amazing. gotta be honest, I say not a lot, but I know quite a few coaches that wouldn't take that on. They want kids that can swim, they wanna build this great team and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's just not coaching. Coaching is whoever comes through that door and wants to be a part of your program, is willing to follow along with the guidelines. You're gonna coach the best you can. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: And sounds like you do that and that's a really mature thing. Do you have any issues with having such a narrow age gap between you and your athletes or student athletes? Have you found any challenges with that? Eva Potvin: I have not found any challenges with that. think that I do a really good job at like establishing what my boundaries are and really making sure that they know what they're allowed to talk to me about and what they're not. And when they do cross lines, they know it right away. And so they know, okay, I overstep and they step back. ⁓ I actually think that's allowed. ⁓ Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Good. Eva Potvin: Like I've had a lot of kids come to me, obviously I'm not going to like say who, but have come to me with like mental health issues or family issues that I've been able to be a mentor or help them through or reach out and contact resources and services that I think if they didn't have an idea what my boundaries were and they didn't feel like they could trust me, they wouldn't come to me. ⁓ Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yep. Yeah, no, that's absolutely true. That kind of approachability factor really important coaching. And I think that's a, some are born with that skill, ⁓ but really have to work on developing it. ⁓ It's because you do want to set a boundary, but you want them to know that there are some instances where we can go a little inside that boundary if it's really important. And you be the best resource as a coach for them in that point in time. And that really takes a nuance to kind of manage. So congratulations on not mastering that, but at least getting a really good start on that. As coaches, we never really master anything, I don't think. I think we're always learning. But yeah, whatever are some of the challenges that you've had. Eva Potvin: Yeah. I think some of the challenges have been, especially if I think about more of the girls is like they've had a lot of coaches ⁓ the last few years that ⁓ building was really big and making sure that they could trust me and know that I'm not going to like leave a year because they like, see it's like ⁓ one my kids said they've had four coaches across their five years on the team. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Sure. Yeah, that's not unbelievably uncommon, sadly. But yeah, how'd you build trust with them then? What was some of the things that you did to help establish? trust is hard building and not to be sexist in any way, shape or form. But I found with girls teams, trust is the first thing for sure. If you don't have that, no matter how smart you are, how talented you are as a coach and all that stuff, it's not going to matter because they're not going to buy in. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: So trust is the first thing. So what are some of the tools you use and some of the activities you did to help build trust with them? Eva Potvin: I think that it's kind of goes back to that boundary setting that I was talking about before too in. I didn't walk on deck wanting to be their friend. think, and if I'm talking on girls team versus boys teams, if you walk onto a girls team's deck and you try to be their friend right from the get go, then they're going to walk all over you later. and saying that as somebody that was on girls teams. and so I like made sure that they knew like. where my lines were, but then I also took the time and we didn't necessarily jump in like with the hardest sets like every single day. Maybe they would argue that I did, but I didn't. And I like got to know them as people outside of the pool. And I think showing genuine investment in who they were is what made them like want to trust. And like a lot of them came to me with injuries and they had mentioned like a lot of their Minnesota Swim And Vibe: We know better. Eva Potvin: when they were injured before they were just told to leave. And I was like, okay, like, I don't want you to leave. How can we accommodate? How can we change? Because I do think that that's something that I think should shift. I ran into that with my chronic pain a lot where it was like, ⁓ you're injured, then you're done. Like, you can't be here. You either you swim through your pain and hurt yourself further, or this isn't for you, which I don't think should be the way that we go about it. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: No, and I think as a coach, you can probably find a dozen activities for them to stay engaged with the program that doesn't involve with them swimming or practice, right? Just because you're hurt doesn't mean you need to disappear. You're still part of the team. I'd like to tell a story. I had a kid in my first year who, after a week, found out he had a heart arrhythmia and he couldn't swim. But he was a captain and he came to practice every day and he helped coach every day and he helped cheer every day. And by the end of the year, honestly, he's been one of Eva Potvin: Yeah. Exactly. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: most impactful athletes I've ever had. The guy never swam a meat for me, right? But his ability to be there, be present, be engaged, provide leadership, provide support, that stuff's really important and sometimes it's even more important than what you can throw down in a hundred free, right? Eva Potvin: Yeah. 100 % if you can't leader then like where did that senior ship where did that captainship come from too like you should be able to move men and motivate people and like Want everybody to feel included? Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, absolutely. So what's on the horizon after you've got your feet wet, you've got a year, you're all done, you're ready to turn them over to a new coach and no, no, okay, good. It's just checking. It's just checking. We like do a little hypocrisy check here every now and then. What do you got planned for the next year? How's next year gonna be better than this year? Eva Potvin: Yeah. No. ⁓ I think that we are building really good team cultures. Our main goal is to kind of build the divide between JV varsity and then also diving and swimming. we've been really kind of pushing, like making sure that our divers know what's going on in the, in the swimming pool. And then our swimmers know what's going on in the diving well. ⁓ they know what is good for each other. They want to be at everything and cheer. And then also kind of just making some bigger investments as a team. Like our. ⁓ The year before I joined our video recording for the diving well broke. And so we've been working at fundraising for that so we can set up the delay and kind of just expanding our team out, making sure that everybody has the equipment that they need. And yeah, just pushing that way. main goal is can every single athlete get a personal best or a PR in a season? ⁓ single athlete so far has. ⁓ Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah? That's awesome. Yeah, I had been following along as I tend to do with most all swimming, sadly, because I'm a swim nerd. probably about maybe four weeks into the season, I put a little asterisk next to the Eden Prairie boys that said, keep an eye on these guys. Right? Like, I don't know where they're going to go, but they seem like they have the foundations of some stuff going on. Like, scrappy swims. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: stuff like that, like things you see on paper, you're like, these guys are not bad. I think they got something. Do you have a lot to build on next year for the boys? Eva Potvin: Yeah, yeah, we do. We have like a really large class of juniors, which are really talented. I know. We also have seven eighth graders. So they're gonna be freshmen next year. And so like, okay, we're losing a lot. We're gonna have a big senior class again, but we're gonna keep building. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: ⁓ boy, that's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. What are some of your pipelines to get kids into your program typically in Eden Prairie? Eva Potvin: ⁓ we get a few West Express. We mainly get Fox Jets. We get a few Aqua Jets, but mainly Fox Jets or West Express, I would say. And then Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yep. Sounds like you some kids that are in no club whatsoever, Which is okay. Eva Potvin: Most of our kids are no club. Yeah, and they still come in and like they train really hard and we've had a lot of kids actually go from no club to then joining club. So a lot of our girls did that this year. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah. And I think, and I'm probably the club table when I say this, club swimming is not a mandatory thing, right? ⁓ I love for kids to have balance in their life. And if for some kids that love swimming endlessly, swimming all year round is great. For some kids, they need a little more variety and they need to swim some and do something else and do something else and come back to swimming. Otherwise they get burned out really quick, right? It like you have a good mix of both. Eva Potvin: Mm-hmm. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: but you definitely have some kids that are swimming club and that's great if that's what they enjoy. And I think you as a coach play a large part in them enjoying swimming, right? Eva Potvin: Yeah, I think that if we lose the fun, the is going to go down. swimming amounts, especially in the male side, have been going down. And so, we're not keeping it fun and we're keeping it a place where they want to get better, then what's the point? Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, I agree. I agree completely. So what's fun look like for the Eden Prairie girls and the Eden Prairie boys? What's the Eva fun? Potion. Eva Potvin: well, try to do like a question of the day, which they really enjoy. But then also they do a lot of like team bonding outside of the pool, pasta dinners, ⁓ Saturday. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: I was going say the boys usually revolve around some sort of food. ⁓ The girls tend to be a little more creative, but... Eva Potvin: Yeah. Yeah. The girls have like so many like little field trips that they do or they'll do like secret swimmer gift bags and stuff. I would say that like really it's just like the banter on the pool deck like as well. Cause they're going through a hard set, but if they're able to like lift each other up and like they have some hard sets. I think every single senior mentioned at least I think they mentioned our Christmas Eve set, which like I feel really bad about now, ⁓ was just really hard. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Why? So what? Makes a great story. No one died, did they? No one died. Yeah, no one died. That's the main qualifier of where you've gone too far. If someone died, then yeah, you might want to rethink it for next year. Otherwise, it's just, you're helping them. Eva Potvin: No one died, but we had the vanilla with us. Yeah, yeah, they had like a basketball one on one tournament too at one point like the Minnesota Swim And Vibe: ⁓ boy, swimmers playing basketball sounds like 15 sprained ankles. Eva Potvin: Yeah, thank God that that didn't happen. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, that sounds a little dicey. Cool. Who are some of the people you rely on to help guide you through coaching? Do you have any mentors out there? I know you mentioned Sam, but who's kind of your support system? That's one the things I like to talk about with coaches is have a board of directors you can rely on help you when you need it. Who are some of the people you lean on? Eva Potvin: Yeah. I mean, obviously I lean on my athletic department, but I actually think one of the biggest supports that I have is my high school head coach. Yeah. Susan Lee, I don't know if you ever heard or met her. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: ⁓ really? Who's that? Let's name drop. Okay? I have not, but I'm sure she's a lovely person. Eva Potvin: She was Hill's head coach until end of my senior year. ⁓ But ⁓ is gifted. She was one those coaches that was tough, but you knew that push came to shove, you could talk to her. And so she's given me a lot of guidance. hey, this is what it was like when I was young and trying to become a head coach and trying to have confidence and self-esteem in what I'm doing. And so she's been really helpful in that. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Okay. Eva Potvin: and then also just like people not related to swimming have been really helpful. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: They can be absolutely coaching is coaching. Eva Potvin: Mm-hmm. I don't know like I can nerd about the swimming I can look at technique and everything but people that just like lift me up and they're like you need to do what you think is best and Like silify that I've been really good Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, I mean you can master all, you can watch YouTube videos and go swim, TV and all that stuff, but swimming's a relationship business, coaching's a relationship business, right? You have to have a base set of skills, but unless you can bring the to it, it's kind of pointless. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Yeah. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Very cool. All right, another question for you. What's something we could change in high school swimming to make it better? In your opinion. Eva Potvin: Okay. in my opinion, I think that there needs to be more accessibility between but then also just for athletes that have not done the sport or athletes that are from different backgrounds. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Interesting. me more about that. Tell me more about that. Eva Potvin: I mean, historically, like if we look at swimming as a general whole, it's been a sport for affluent communities. 100 % and then also for kids that are not. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, it's a country club sport, hands down. Eva Potvin: or like are able-bodied a lot of the time too. And so I think that we need to just do more to like make it more inclusive and to make it more accessible. I like one of our goals right now as a team with our fundraising is to make it so that CAPS suits and all that is covered. because that way people can join and they don't really have to worry about that initial entry cost until it gets to like, they're so good that they need a fast skin because I can't buy tech suits for everybody. But even that. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yep. Yeah. We have a very good hand-me-down program for your very first techsuit that used to be somebody else's. Eva Potvin: I know, we've literally been collecting tech suits that people don't want anymore too, so. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yep. Now that's a great, I mean, most kids aren't going to go on to swim in college. And if they do, they're probably going to be getting a new tech suit somewhere along the way. And those old ones they've gathered or grown out of a great backstock for those kids that, you know, just want to try one for the first time. don't want to drop three, $400 or can't drop that kind of money. Right. That's an absolute accessibility barrier. Eva Potvin: Yeah, like I definitely think about even just pool time. If you can afford pool time, then you're able to have like your JV practice at a different time than your varsity or you have middle school and high school. But if you don't have that ability, then you can't expand your program in the same way. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, that's interesting. And something I know I want to spend a lot of time on is working with communities on how to better balance and maximize pool time. I know areas that do it really well, and they turn their aquatics programs into, I'm not going to say ungodly profitable, but at least not profitable. And then there's ones that are kind of stuck in the way that they've always done it for 50 years that basically run their aquatics into the ground because the pool is just never accessible at the right time for the right groups. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Well, and then even outside of that, like I know on our boys team this year, we had an athlete on our team that needs extra support in school and like needs extra support at the pool and all of that. But they were super, super successful in what they were able to accomplish. All of our boys rallied behind them as well. But I don't feel like you see that as often it should be, like, cause there's PCA support or maybe coaches aren't accommodating. Like we. Two hours was a lot for this athlete from the get go. so, yeah, I know. So we ramped up like 15 minutes. We started at an hour, 15 minutes each week until we're doing the full two hours. But I know that there is a lot of coaches out there that wouldn't be able to juggle that and wouldn't be able to accommodate for that. like they wanted to... Exactly. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, two hours is a lot for this coach. Might not want to because they don't see the value in it, right? There's some of it out there. I hate to speak like that, but I know that exists. It's not the norm, but it's there. Too much of a hassle. I got other kids to coach, right? No bueno. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I think, yeah, I agree. Like, I've seen that a lot. I've seen that in just, how certain coaches have commented on athletes' bodies or, like, just a lot of different things. And we need to, like, stop looking at you need to look this way or be this way to be a successful athlete. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Huh, yeah, no, I can't agree with you more. That's ⁓ super insightful stuff. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: for sure. It gets me thinking. Do you think also when we're talking about kind of, and I don't want to say underserved populations, but people or groups that have more of a challenge to get into swimming, there's things that we can do earlier on in the program? Like we're talking high school swimming, right? When you get the seventh and eighth, ninth grade, great, we want to accommodate, but what about earlier? Do you think there's barriers there to get them involved in swimming at earlier ages as well? Eva Potvin: I mean, 100%, 100 % less so out in suburbs, right? ⁓ But, but like, definitely, like, especially if you're looking at non like white populations, being like, going back to the 1960s, being barred from swimming pools, like, ⁓ continued to have a ricochet and less likely, it's like, Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yep. Yeah. I mean, I grew up on the mean streets of Minnetonka. I get it. Yeah. Eva Potvin: way less likely that a kid learns how to swim but their parents don't know how to swim. So if we could still learn that. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah. Yeah. And I think. We have many, many examples of programs that used to be more suburban based programs demographic has changed over the decades and are more in this kind of a diverse setting where they have to now figure out how do they have those things out there to get people involved in swimming at any level. And early age is obviously preferable. But even at seventh grade, eighth grade when they may never have swam before. Eva Potvin: Mm-hmm. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: we may be their only opportunity for them to learn that life skill. And that to me is as important as winning anything in swimming. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Cause it's a survival skill at the end of the day. Like, yeah. Yeah. Like I had, I had a coach say recently or not recently, it's like a year, a little over a year ago. They said directly, like, if you want your team to be recognized, get faster. And I think that that makes sense. But also like we're very fortunate that we have the community center and we have the access that we have. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: It is. It is very cool. Go ahead. Eva Potvin: We have access to our like gym if we're at the high school in the morning But if you were saying that to a team that does not have that ability or does not have the same amount of access then saying just get faster and In order to be recognized to me is very narrow-minded so Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, no, I agree. I do a lot of work and looking at retention when it comes to swim programs in high school. And to me, that is a gold standard metric, not for everybody. ⁓ There some programs out there that have so many kids that would love to swim that they have to turn people away and they're going to have some turnover. But when you're a lot of these other programs that are looking just to kind of fill the pool, your ability to keep people from seventh grade to eighth grade all the way through their Eva Potvin: Mm-hmm. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: senior year is paramount, right? That is a key metric and I see the most successful programs out there that don't have the benefit of having endless supply of swimmers have high retention. A lot of that goes to the coaching ⁓ and goes to the culture and it goes to creating a place where kids can come and be active and be happy, right? You don't have to win squat. Eva Potvin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: And that's okay. Eva Potvin: Yeah, that's just like shifting what your idea of success is. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, I think a lot of us need to do some of that, right? And look at it. And something fast is certainly successful too. I don't want to poo poo that. I don't want to say that I don't want my kids to get faster. And if I have a group of very talented kids that are motivated, sure, I want them to achieve as much as they can, but that's secondary. I don't want them to kill each other to do it. Eva Potvin: Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. I even have like really fast kids that they get faster and then they continually like they have a new goal, but then they're still disappointed because they didn't hit that next goal. And I'm like, whoa, let's back it up. Let's look at it as a full season. You got continually faster throughout. Okay, you didn't drop another point to and you're 50 free at this like end of the season meet, but you started a second and a half slower. So we need to shift that. We need to see it as a grand total rather Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yep. Yeah. Eva Potvin: just. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Totally. And I think one of the great life lessons swimming teaches is there is so much, and I'm going to air quote failure, right? You don't get ⁓ perfect swim, which I've never had one in my life. There's always some where I'm like, yeah, I could have gone a little faster. But how to take that, appreciate it, take some learnings out of it. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Thank Minnesota Swim And Vibe: get back up on the horse and ride again. That skill in life, it will come up over and over and over again. And I think something helps you learn that if you learn it properly, right? At an early age, it sets you up in a good spot for life. Eva Potvin: Yeah, 100%. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: It has been awesome talking to you, Eva. You are a light when it comes to coaching. I cannot wait to see what the EP boys and girls do over the next year. And I hope to have you out at end of next season too so we can talk about what's next. Eva Potvin: Yeah. Yeah, of course. I mean, at end of the day, it is the athletes that are doing the work. It's the divers, it's the swimmers. So I'm just happy to be a support and thank you for having me on. Minnesota Swim And Vibe: Yeah, and one final thing that I've learned in coaching, if the athletes are successful, that's good coaching. If they are struggling, that's just bad parenting. Stick with that theory, you'll go far. Thank you. Eva Potvin: Okay, okay. Thank you.