Mark: Hello and welcome to the Holy Death podcast. Today, we're going to talk about many different things. ⁓ Talk about what's going on in golf lives. We're going to talk about the amazing AK story. If you haven't seen it, you've been under a rock or you've been on Mars. ⁓ Anthony Kim is back and we're going to talk about that. Also going to talk about how a report came out that And we're back. For those of you who've been listening, we took a week off for technical difficulties and other paraphernalia. So we're back in finishing up with Anthony Kim and Strollen, you got into just at the last bit of that, how much juice he, AK brought to the tournament, to golf. And I think it was a

Strolan: Mm-hmm.

Mark: makes the USGA look like they're fools for wanting to the ball back and it comes from the USGA. Other than that, ⁓ thanks for coming in. Thanks for hanging out with us. And before we get too far down the fairway, I'd to introduce my partner in crime, Strollin'. Strollin' buddy, how you doin'? tiny mini version of what happened when Tiger was rolling, like how much energy he was creating and how much it affected the players around him. Like it was made it more difficult. Like it was a lot going on. I think there's a little bit of that going on with that. But one of the things, so this brings it up and we've had time to think about it. I kind of want to talk just a second about he's got five or six like

Strolan: I am doing great, dude. I'm so glad we're back doing the same podcast again, because I managed to fuck up my sound like two podcasts in a row so we can just retread old ground. Absolutely.

Mark: Well, mean, it's going to be great because as much as I love doing a podcast with you in a submarine, this is better. quality years going forward like you know a window of time where he could do something. Now what do you think? Do you think he's going to win some tournaments and it's going to be fun, but he's not going to do much. You think he's going to rise into the top 50? he going to like get into like is he going to win a major? Like where do you think this in you know in in six years from now? Where do you think we're going to be with him?

Strolan: It wasn't real submarine, was more like a fire hose of my sound coming through so that the only thing you could hear...

Mark: It was like you were yelling in a submarine. It was like you were like the drunk guy in a sub just like going all, you know, just insane, dude. was like it was the loudest thing. I turned it down. I was going, ⁓ he's got to be yelling, bro.

Strolan: Well, I think to kind of go off the first point that you made that I was talking about before we took our little unintended break, that he definitely brings a lot of juice back to the game when he is performing like that. that is something that is rare. Like I said previously, the CVs days. It was horrible. It was horrible. Yeah, thanks a lot. You know, so we recorded our podcast and the whole time Mark's like turning my volume down. I like, why is this dude so loud? It's like, yeah, because my settings were set to Caliente. But at the same time, I think it's something that's totally needed in golf. Now, is he going to continue to perform? I don't see why he would take a big step back. But I can see he's not going to win every week. So we'll see how he does in his next tournament. It's week to week. That was a big dick course. So the couple of courses they have coming up are little dick, not big dick. So little dick Rick. They're all Trump nationals.

Mark: Ayayayaya. Yes, they were. ⁓ But now we're back and yes.

Strolan: Anyways, here we are, dude. Yeah, now we're back or back at it. And, you know, as a producer of this podcast, I'm proud to say I fucked up two of these in a row. So thanks, Mark. Thanks for having me. I am so super excited to be here other than hopefully, you know, when I pull this one up, I'm not sounding like. You know, I'm using a bullhorn right into my microphone microphone.

Mark: pinky courses, just pinky courses. They're called, they're called, yes, they're called little smokies. It was an interesting effect. Yeah, so sometimes you got to take a few steps back to go forward. That happens. Which was, so after, so we're going to talk about AK, but I dove kind of into him and his process and his going through. No, I'm going to say that he mentioned that that's a big part of his thing. he thinks that.

Strolan: I call them little mushrooms. So anyways, yeah, exactly. I'll bark, no bite.

Mark: The Vienna sausage of golf.

Strolan: Okay. enough. ⁓

Mark: Yeah, there is no sword in that sheath, but anyway. ⁓

Strolan: No. So anyways, I'm glad we got all the bunch of dick jokes in real quick. That was nice. Thank you. Thanks for entertaining me. I know. So two minutes back into the getting into this thing and we're already back to the dick jokes. That's awesome. But no, I think, you know, he brings that he can bring that needed juice to the game. It's not going to take much for him to get up to the top 50 spot, you know, in O.W.G.R. points. You know, the. Hold on, hold on. You're jumping the AK already? You can.

Mark: It was fun, right? You know, it's we're on brand. We're on brand.

Strolan: Terrible sound.

Mark: ⁓ Yes, he says sometimes it has to sound terrible to be great at win tournaments. Yes, that's true. So yeah, let's go back to what's going on in golf, in our weekly golf. What have you been working on? What have you been doing,

Strolan: Thank you.

Mark: Okay.

Strolan: live got those points at the break for the season started. Everybody in live started crying because they're a bunch of fucking babies. And then they really realized, well, with ties, that means like 14, 15 guys a week are getting points. And then they realized also they started rocking it up, rock rocketing up the, you know, ⁓ w gr boards. And now they're like, you know, this isn't that bad, you know, just got to win, I guess. So I mean, one more win is going to is what he gets like 203. I think with that one. Mm hmm. Okay. So, I remember actually playing a bit of golf, you know, and I think I've talked about, I talked about playing Hidden Valley, right?

Mark: Yes, you have talked about Hidden Valley. You talked about, yeah, you talked about, on the podcast that never was, you talked about Los Amigos and how that's not a place you would play again.

Strolan: We touched on that. Yeah, we ran into that.

Mark: got to two, three, one more win, gets him inside 100, and he starts doing some top finishes, which I can see. so also, we've been consuming a lot of AK lately, and what he said, and how about this, we talk fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals. He has been working on his setup for two years, and getting it so that he can aim.

Strolan: No, you don't want to really play there. But I'll tell you a story about Los Amigos that's amusing. So we're getting ready to go out and play this chorus. Now, this chorus is right next door to a juvenile hall. And on the other side of the chorus is a mental institution, which is nice and interesting, especially if you to deal with this gimmicky fucking chorus and their shitty greens and you know. Yeah, I can. Mm-hmm.

Mark: And then, so once he is confident with his aim, that's what you saw, he was confident. He knew exactly where he was placing the ball. And that's one of the main reasons, besides his putter was on fire. But I mean, yeah, absolutely. And he's a guy that can get hot like that. he can, you know, he's always been a great ball striker, but he gets rolling with his putter. is...

Strolan: By the third generation of the Bells, that should have been, the second generation should have been like, send him off to parochial school or something, I don't know. But anyways, so. Yeah, his putter was on fire, undoubtedly. There's a mental institution out there and it's really not the funnest place to play. But before we get out there, I go, we park our car next to the driving range. Here's the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life. We show up Sunday morning to this driving range and there was not one person on the driving range. And there was like, I mean, 20, 30 spots, like a big driving range. There was not a person out there. Not one, not one person.

Mark: Really really difficult. I mean, what is it like he threw 11 birdies down at the Masters like that That is something that I don't know a lot of people can say full stop At all, right? mean so he can do it. Is he going to I mean, I think top 50 is not out. That would be an Yeah

Strolan: At the Bastars. Yeah.

Mark: That's the most bizarre thing. I've never been to a golf course where there wasn't at least somebody grinding on a golf wrench. I know.

Strolan: Sunday morning. We stood there and me and my brother looked at each other and we thought we in the Twilight Zone, right? So we go get checked in and I won't tell you about the 35 minutes it took me to get a breakfast burrito that wasn't even that good. Anyways, I went and got the breakfast burrito and finally was eating in the cart and I let's go over to the range. It's attainable this year. I think you can see him, now it's top 50 by date. He needs to get there to the top 50 for the Masters by I think April 1st. So he's gonna have to do some winning this month to get there. can he qualify in the US Open and maybe the Open? Possibly.

Mark: Yeah, that's a stretch, but.

Strolan: So we all split a bucket. We go to the range. We're like one of six guys out there warming up on the range and we're doing our thing and I'm hitting balls and it's all great, you know, and getting like tennis elbow off their freaking like super thin mats. So I go back to the cart and this is the most bizarre thing. So, know, how I have a mount for my phone that goes like on the cart, right? Like I mount the phone like, you know, there's the rail. It's a terrible podcast thing. But if you're watching, if you're if you're watching me.

Mark: Maybe. Maybe.

Strolan: Yeah, I think that's I think it's a better chance. The Masters may be a little far fetched just because it's a little far behind. But then again, you the Masters are the Masters. That's an invitational and if they want that juice there, they may just throw down the invite. You never know.

Mark: Right. mean, the argument has been made that they don't need it, but that hasn't stopped them. They've been very like, we just want to see this player at our tournament. they don't really, you know, they don't do it for, they don't, which I like about them. one of the reasons it's such a great event. But also, mean, so let's, okay, so we're talking about Masters, next five years.

Strolan: Mm-mm. do the podcast on TV. You know, I'm doing that. Anyways, there's a rail and I put the phone there and I put the phone in the little sleeve and it sits upright so I can use my Arcos and Bushnell and see the chorus. They didn't have GPS so that was even better. But I came back from hitting balls and there was the biggest goose turd on my phone. Yep. They don't give a shit. Mm-hmm.

Mark: Is he wearing a jacket?

Strolan: Hmm, ⁓ maybe.

Mark: You

Strolan: I would say let's do it like this. Let's do it like this. Like it was absolutely ginormous. It was like this big, just green, like bright green. If you're watching the pod, I'm wearing a bright green. It looked like grass. I don't know what they get out of those things because it's green and it looks just like mown grass. But anyways, and the amazing thing was... Master's jacket over under three years.

Mark: Yeah, in the next, yeah, then I think that's probably the window. you

Strolan: Would you take the over or the under?

Mark: ⁓ in under three years or over three years? would. ⁓ that's a good one. That's that's that is absolutely that is a on point line because he's hot right now. But. ⁓ well, let's do this, OK? OK.

Strolan: Mm-hmm. Yes. This is my this week in golf, the way. So the amazing thing was. Yes, of course. So anyways, the amazing thing was is like the rail of the golf cart, you know, is underneath. The top of the golf cart, like, you know, there's some projection. So there wasn't a like goose sitting up there like crap out of my phone straight down like he must have flown by. did. Yeah.

Mark: Yeah, turd. It's about turds. Okay.

Strolan: Yes. All right, let's make it a multiple choice. I'll go play a game with you, make it multiple choice. Anthony Kim over and under Masters winner next three years or Patrick Reed.

Mark: roof of the roof of the car. Yeah. Ooh, I hate Patrick Reed, but he's No, he did not have to fly. Like he's a... Yeah, he's a bomber, dude.

Strolan: Probably the hottest. He's number one in the order of merit on the DP World Tour right now. He's above Rory. He's a bomber. And so it's like, that's something, know, considering he's a front facing aircraft, you know, that's some pretty good, weird trajectory shot. You know, it's like it was pretty impressive. I thought it was great. Ryan thought it was good luck. He was like, ⁓ that's good luck, I'm like, great. So I.

Mark: Here's the thing. Yes, first of all, I don't like Patrick Reed, but...

Strolan: I like P.

Mark: Pretty impressive. Yeah, you gotta admit. He's an assassin. Okay, he really is. He's not very likable. Yes,

Strolan: We missed him this year. We're missing him in the Ryder Cup. The fact that we were able to get him back for the next one is huge.

Mark: If that's good luck, I'm okay with bad luck. fact that he wasn't on Ryder Cup, that was egregious. Like, I don't care if you like this guy. He's simply, you're just, that's his points. Full stop, that's points. And yeah, like, handily too. Like he's, and it's one of his, actually, it's actually one of his best, like, formats. Like, he is really good with it. So, yes, I think...

Strolan: So anyways, so yeah, no, I did beat all the guys at men's club. Of course, I didn't win any money because it was, know, Netskins and flighted. So yeah, I was fucked when I teed it up. But I didn't even play that great. I still, you know, ended up beating everybody in a chip off on the 18th hole in skins in our group.

Mark: I'm really okay with that.

Strolan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Did he beat Sergio? Mm-hmm. Mine too.

Mark: Nice.

Strolan: You know what? Yeah, 145 bucks. And it was like Brian was all excited like bet skins. Let's do skins guys. I love this. OK, cool.

Mark: I would lean towards, I take Patrick Reed, but not by much. Like I think he's just playing really well. I think that he's already, you know, he's someone who could do it. like, I'll take the over on AK. ⁓ you know what? No, I'll take the, I'll take the under on three years on the next three years. Now I'm going to take under because I think he's playing really well right now. I think he's in really good condition. I think this is.

Strolan: You taking? Mm-hmm. So we get to the 19th hole and I'm like, OK, no one's like me and you break even. Michael owes you 15 bucks. He pays me 12, whatever, OK, three bucks later. And I turn to Ryan. He didn't win his skin. I actually made three putts that he would have won skins if I didn't push. And I made all three putts. So he was like hating me as it was. And he goes, and he owed me like 35 bucks. He goes, I didn't bring any money.

Mark: Nice.

Strolan: Take the under on the AK.

Mark: the guy that wanted to bet didn't bring any money? probably his window. mean, six years is a long is if he keeps him healthy. But the next three years is probably his tight is his best window to do it.

Strolan: I'm like, what do mean? Because I'll Venmo you. I'm like, son, this is fucking golf. We don't Venmo on golf. We can't hide the... Yeah, exactly. I can't hide money from my wife if you Venmo to me. I gotta run through my bank account, you fucking... So anyways, that's my This Week in Golf. That's what I've been working on. know, I stuff into some fools and body bags and playing some good golf. My chipping's great.

Mark: No. It's called folding money in cigars. You don't.

Strolan: So you're taking AK three years.

Mark: AK-3 but I'm you know I wouldn't be surprised if I saw Patrick Reedway's playing get there first. There's no Venmo in golf!

Strolan: I'm going to go the other way. I'm going to take P. I'm going take Patrick. I think he's got a chance because he's playing so hot right now and he's done it there before. But I will take Anthony Kim three years. If he can get there. I would say the players would really suit his game well.

Mark: Cool? Cool. Mm-hmm.

Strolan: And yeah, guess my phone got shit on and I shit on Ryan. So there you go.

Mark: Yeah. It's a kuna matata. It's a circle of life.

Strolan: Yeah, there we go. That's my other season's off. What do you got going on?

Mark: Cool. I've been working really hard on checkpoints on my swing. So if you have, it's super fascinating, but real quickly, if you have a John Daly overswing where you just bring the club straight up to the sky, there's many things wrong with that, but... Mmm, okay.

Strolan: but he can't get there being on live. that's, you know, it depends on what happens there in the next few years, but OWJR wise, depending on the course, US Open.

Mark: Yeah.

Strolan: fascinating.

Mark: Yes, I could that. OK, so for talking to majors for just plural, ⁓ I can see him winning an open either one, actually, because I think his game is so is I think he actually flourishes. Yeah, I think on the kind of courses, especially the open, actually. the only way to really get rid of it is to start having a really inside move and really get behind everything. Yeah, and so, and it's interesting because if you've had that over-swing move, you're used to like, you gotta start getting that club down as soon as possible. Like you don't, like all your timing is about,

Strolan: Yeah, I think so. Yeah. He suits it. I think he suits both. Mm-hmm. No, get you were saying there. Yeah Yeah, no, you may be right. I think I'm going to change it. I think the open for sure, because the open, his game suits out a little more than the US Open, which they set up really hard. And if they set it up someplace where they can set it up long, it's not good for him. That's not a good setup. But at some of the courses over there that are links, I can see him. And if he's putting like he did at Adelaide, yeah, I can see him. I can see him when in the open. I think.

Mark: Okay. It is. this has to go as fast as I possibly can because I have no time and all that. And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK.

Strolan: May I say something about that? It's like as fast as you end up casting it back, you end up having to cast it that fast back out and make the timing work. Is that what you're saying? That's what I get from that. That's what I get from that. I think he's, I'm three years less for P, went in the Masters, and that's where I'm gonna put slot Anthony Kim.

Mark: Right. Yeah. Essentially, yeah. Yeah. So, and you have to, and if you do that, you lose power. So, if you bring it down hard, you have more problems. It's a whole timing thing, like it to be really, really well timed. Well, so anyway, so to get that back, but then like your instinct is to still have that real like hard driving hand move to start your swing. And that's the last thing you want to do. Okay, so I think that yes, I would give him if you were gonna like what where would I put my chips? I put it on the open. I think he could win at the Masters because I think in a similar way, it takes some precision and and just some fucking nuts putting and I think he's got both. And and he is he is got ⁓ a bit of maturity that I think maybe

Strolan: I got you. Yeah, he does. You're absolutely right. Mm-hmm.

Mark: hurt him slightly when he was hot. And I think he plays a little smarter. I think he works really well this caddy. And so I think that he's if he gets in, I mean, I put money on him because I think he he could do it. And so I've been working on doing this and it's like checkpointing. Like it has to get here. This is it has to go. And then finally, it feels like so slow because it feels very fast to bring the hands down hard. But when they're like at the end of it, at the end of the whip, it feels slow. It feels actually pretty easy. And then I look at like all my numbers going in the right direction and I'm like, well,

Strolan: Mm-hmm. He does. Yeah. If he gets his putter hot like it was in Adelaide and he gets that vibe going and he gets the crowd vibing with him. Mm-hmm. And he seems to feed off of that. That was his whole thing is he was going to come up as the next tiger because that's the way he was even like more like that on acid. Unfortunately, his immaturity kind of consumed him and put him in the position where he's at now. it's a miraculous story at the end of the day. Even him, even if he just wins this one tournament, which he won a ton of money, generational money for his new daughter he has and his wife. So it's so good. It's such a nice. It's nice to have a nice.

Mark: That's easier and I'm doing better. That and I'm finishing out figuring out how I'm going to lock my bag down because I have to do this because I'm not this there's going to be a line. We're going to finish this off and I'm not buying anything for a year.

Strolan: But hold on. This was usually a goal that was supposed to be done by, I think, the first of the year. So we're almost to March.

Mark: I'm not done with it yet. Yeah, but I haven't played any real golf, so...

Strolan: like a story like that in golf. It's almost like something that's out of a movie. It could come out of a movie, you know? It's like, is that crazy? Okay, so... I this was the season of playing more golf. What's going on with you?

Mark: ⁓ I have played around yet. It doesn't count. It doesn't count. But, ⁓ It is. So, and yes, he did. And so why I think he's a really good, not long shot, but like a good shot at hitting a major in the next three years is because he isn't doing this for anything but his family and his daughter. And he does not want his daughter to think of him or look at him as a loser. Well, ⁓ got sick. That was fun. We were going to go play ⁓ Rustic Canyon. Got like definitely ill and it didn't work out. And then we were going to play on Monday, but that's not happening because apparently our schedules are very capricious. so, and a little bit about kind of working on this, the move is getting, so it's getting decent. I'm grinding down.

Strolan: Yeah, that was that was a bummer. We've all got sick and it didn't work out. And then it's been raining like piss for like weeks. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ I have a story about that. Yeah, yeah, he said that.

Mark: as someone who gave up on everything. And I think that drive is why he's a surprising pick for a major in the next three years. And I wouldn't be surprised at all. I think it's really possible. You know what I mean? And that's the reason. Not, I mean, because he has the talent, but he is very driven right now in a way that I don't know a lot of guys on the tour are full stop. the details. I feel like I can go out there and not embarrass myself because when you make a swing change and you do it correctly, you don't destroy things, but your timing's off and you know what I'm talking about. And yeah.

Strolan: Yeah, and with you. It's rough. We've been down this road with me. We've been down this road. I've been there, done that. I did it to a point where I destroyed my shoulder to rebuild the swing. And then Ryan's going through the same thing. Yeah, absolutely.

Mark: Right. Yeah. It's one of those things where, and we talked about it offline, that confidence is so important in the game of golf. And it's like, and you can't be stuck between two swings and you want to be confident. ⁓ But so it's getting there. And in the process, what happens is, delivery changes, equipments, ⁓

Strolan: Yeah, all right. Yeah, no, I'm with you. So you go get on Anthony Kim. Good topic. That was I'm glad we got to wrap that one up because we left it hanging when we had a little technical difficulties and took a few days to get back to it. And I'm glad that we got to cap that one off because the ending part of the story of it and, you know, the success of it for him and also the, you know, his possibilities moving forward is kind of like the whole point of the topic is, you know, he's back and it's good that he's golf is better for it.

Mark: Yeah.

Strolan: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah.

Mark: changing a little bit. I know what I want to do. I'm just going to knock, lock it down this week and then I'm to go out and actually take it out and whatever it is, it is, and we're just going to work on much more, just like go to coaches and find coaches I want to work with and those kinds of things this year, as opposed to finding a club. 100%. 100 % it is. ⁓ What's not good for golf as a segue is apparently the USGA just hates golf and golfers. ⁓ So much so that they don't listen to the USGA. This was fascinating. Lou Stagner, God bless him, is diving into all the data that they have provided. they have all these sub reports to their big beautiful report.

Strolan: I really hope that you follow through with finding the force plate thing because we've been talking about that for a couple years and that's something we should do together and I'd be down. We can both get a day off, take the 360 degree cameras out and actually do something with that because I would really, really look out crappy. I am at a weight transfer.

Mark: And while they decided what that means is rollback, when you look at the data, it goes, well, wait a minute. It actually contradicts it. Like, that's not the conclusion you would come to. And he's been posting about this. So apparently, they were so enamored with the idea of the rollback that they didn't actually listen to their own research. And that's fascinating to me. It's like how much Yeah, 360. Yeah. Yes. Well, it's more even so, so getting down to Rabidult briefly about that, it's not only is it like it's the timing of your force. And so it's like the impulse of it. And they have these whole things and they can look at you and go, it's like the guys that do 3D, right? And ⁓ the athletic motion golf, those guys just were just like you and I. Do you have to love an idea to go, well, you know you're driving off a cliff. Yeah, but it's beautiful.

Strolan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Here we go.

Mark: Hahahaha! ⁓ They have been told, you know, do this, do this, do this, like drag the handle, do all these things to like to do this. And then they got all this 3D capture and they put pros on there. And then it was like, ⁓ that's not what they're doing. Even if they think they are, it isn't, even if it looks like that, what they're actually doing, if you get a 3D capture of it is very different. And like, ⁓

Strolan: Dude, it's so fucking stupid. I think, to cover this first, because I think this point was really salient that you brought up. Or maybe Lou brought it up and you told me about it. Because I didn't do the Twitter thing, so I didn't go look at Lou's post. But you told me enough about what he said and tracks with what he does, which is track down the data and see what really the fuck's going on. But the whole point of like, you

Mark: Hmm. And so that coupled with ⁓ like force, and force does the same thing. tells the story, regardless of what you think you're seeing, it tells the story of how your timing, and they've done enough capture of pros who are doing it the best to know when this has to happen. And they can tell you, and it's from what I understand, they say it's not something you necessarily see, but you can see it on the graphs.

Strolan: The reason they really went after the ball, it turns out, is because, well, you have to buy a ball. Like you can hold onto your driver for a fucking decade and not do anything with it and still play with it and no one's even saying anything or think to say anything. ⁓ did you buy a new driver? No, I'm gonna spend a thousand dollars on a driver because they fucking changed the rules for guys that are the top 1 % of the players because they're scared that like, you can't play Riviera anymore. Pebble Beach is too short. They're wrecking the course. Well, when I go play Pebble Beach, it's not too fucking short, idiot. So I'm not gonna take care of my driver, but if you fuck up the ball, it affects everybody, right? But it doesn't solve the

Mark: Mm-hmm.

Strolan: Mm-hmm.

Mark: because so much is happening so quickly that to think that you can really capture it in 2D is kind of... Now it seems silly, but it was the only thing we had at the time. Anyway, so I want to do that that year. is, yes, definitely my goal is to get on ⁓ force plates and not do 3D capture.

Strolan: problem that we keep talking about. It's like these dudes are better not because the ball. They're better because A, it is the driver probably that they're using, in which case you see they're do my idea and take it out of their hands or make it or bifurcate the game at driver for fucking cry sake. Or, you know, basically you're also dealing fitness. No. So before we wrap up this week in golf, and we're doing this podcast, my wife's in the other room. So this is her birthday month. her birthday is February 2nd, so 2-2. She also likes to re-celebrate on February 22nd. She calls it her second birthday. It's fun. It makes her birthday go all month long. You're dealing with the fact that the PGA wants the to go a long way so they don't set up the courses any other way. You got the fact that the equipment is getting better and these guys are getting smarter. Another point that Lou makes, right, okay, the average distance is getting longer, but when you look at the average distance per tee, it changes dramatically. Why is that? And so she comes to me tonight, she goes, you have the next two nights off, right? Like, yeah. And she's like, well, we're going somewhere tomorrow. And she goes, you kind of forced my hand because it's not what I wanted to do. What did she want to do for this weekend trip? Mark, you know.

Mark: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, and the real problem, they're attacking the ball and they want to attack the driver too. But the real problem is with strokes gained because that's what's teaching guys to not just bomb it all the time. Like, that's why those variances happen. And what's crazy about this is when you really look at the data, you realize She wanted, I know this, she wanted to go to the cat ⁓ preserve in ⁓ Fresno, which I thought it was a bunch of feral kitty cats.

Strolan: Yes. Lions and tigers and bears.

Mark: which made it funnier. Like we're just gonna go, yeah, just, in the wild, they're just going around and cats like most of the time just sleep. Just like all these cats is like, what are you doing here? Don't you have something better to do? But it's actually a big, it's big cats. So it made it cooler, but it's still Fresno. But that's not what you're doing. that if you want to take the driver out of the long hitters, you actually would want to increase the speed of the ball and or the driver such that the slower guys can hit driver, but the long guys have to pick something else because of their dispersion. And everyone now knows what the penalty is for being in that bunker and that rough. Like it's quantifiable.

Strolan: you So, no. So I had suggested something else and she was like, okay, whatever. And then she comes to me tonight and she's like, well, you gotta be ready to do something tomorrow because you have Monday off, right? I'm like, yeah, okay. I'm like, well, I had planned on taking ⁓ trash into work and getting rid of this construction stuff and some of the chores. Now, I'm sure everybody's just fascinating. What great podcasting. Wow, he's gonna do chores in the morning. So anyways, I'm... Right.

Mark: And so part of what is happening, and that was never known before. And so now what you're seeing is guys can look at it and they can look at it at a course like the way that like F1 drivers would like play like the video game of it. So they get ready for it. And now they actually have full virtual F1 systems where the whole thing is there so they can drive the course before. Tell me more about your menial labor.

Strolan: I was gonna do recycling too. So anyways. Mm-hmm.

Mark: So they can figure out where every little millisecond is. Well, golfers can do that too now at the highest level. And so they know what to do. So ironically, what's gonna happen, as you pointed out, it's not gonna solve anything. It's going to make guys that have the speed just hit more drivers and just blow people right out of the water of the game, which is not what I think they would want. Go on.

Strolan: You know, go on, it's fascinating. So she's like, okay, she goes, well, that's fine. She goes, you know, because we're not gonna leave till like four or five o'clock, four or five o'clock. And I'm like, you what are we doing? And she goes, well, you forced my hand on this one, so you're gonna kind of get what you want too. So what was a thing, do you remember, I suggested as a better thing to do?

Mark: ⁓ my. Tornado. I think they actually do want a competitive, you know, game, but they're not doing anything to do it. Here's the other thing. Kyle Berkshire. I use him as like this talisman of like, where things, you know, theoretically can go as far as speed, like the amount of like speed he has created based on ⁓ science and understanding biomechanics and all these things. Dude's longest drive. which if you're not from Southern California, Coronado is probably one of the most delightful little pieces of ⁓ property in California. But anyways, go on.

Strolan: And she was like. Oh man, it's so fun. So she was like, well, you didn't get any of the emails that came to you, Linda, an email. Because there was something that came that shouldn't have come. I didn't see any of it. She's like, OK, well, just playing. We're going to leave at 4 or 5 o'clock. So Mark, I may be playing Coronado Island golf course on Monday.

Mark: not on a golf course, but so long as drive is 579 yards, okay? You aren't able to pull any of those levers far enough to stop that from being a problem. What you have to do is make sure he can't use the driver or that, right, that's it. And so they're going in the wrong direction. They're not solving the problem. And all they're gonna do is take... That would be awesome. That would be well worth it. Happy birthday to all of us. Yeah, totally is.

Strolan: Yes. That's a bucket. It's one of it. It's on my bucket list course. It's on one of my list courses. Out of nowhere. know, because we were planning on playing Monday, right? Yeah. So this came totally out of nowhere. So we'll see. I don't know. It's not for sure, but could be exciting. Could be something coming up.

Mark: Nice. Very nice. Yeah, yeah, we totally were.

Strolan: Nope.

Mark: Cool. Well, I look forward to hearing about it. So it could be, but what did happen is Anthony Kim, straight up assassin, went after everybody and lived golf and took them down. On Sunday at Adelaide, it was an amazing story. It was amazing to watch. ⁓ distance out of guys like you and me who don't have it to give up in the first place. So that's why they suck.

Strolan: And we've said this many times. They said this many times on this podcast. That the number one reason people quit golf is frustration. And guess what? Playing a 440 yard par four. When you you're your max drive, you hit a good ones to 40 to 45 and you're still looking at a seven wood to five wood in or a five iron, depending on what your distance is a little bit. But I mean, for most amateurs, that's what you're looking at right from that far out.

Mark: You should watch it. If you haven't, please do. I haven't seen somebody just truck people. I mean, honestly, since like Tiger. That was like a Tiger-like back nine in a lot of ways. yeah

Strolan: Absolutely.

Mark: Yeah, driver five would, yeah.

Strolan: And yeah, and or five hybrid, you know, whatever. And and here, you know, these guys and start with, know, you're obviously going to hit it as high and it's not going to spin as much and it's going to come in a lower descent angle and hopefully it hits the green. So you're asking to take those guys and put them back in now to 30. It's funny you say that because he was Tiger's contemporary. He was very much dubbed the next Tiger. And a lot of it was because not only of his talent, which just came roaring back. The fact that he was gone for so long. I literally, he lived golf, put up a post on Instagram today. In 2024, his first round back, the second hole, he just hit a cold, hard shank.

Mark: Definitely.

Strolan: So said that their ball rollback will be like, oh, be five to 10 yards won't affect the amateurs much. Bullshit on them. I play those. Oh, then they're like, we'll move up a T. Well, I'm in the white tees. Do I have to go to the children's tees? I mean, I'll play the women's tees. Yeah, I'll play the women's tees. I don't come on the seas. I'll play forward's tees. I'm not, you know, I don't have any. But guess what? When I go out there and I play with other people and get grouped with them and they're back on the white tees and I walk up to the red tees, you know, I kind of feel a little ridiculous. I'm 52, not fucking 82.

Mark: Right, right, where exactly do I have to go to?

Strolan: And they put that up against his shot on 14 where he just stuffed it. They're like, wow, what a difference two years make. And I was like, that is a fucking fantastic post. That's exactly it. And it's a testament to his talent. So they rolled him out originally like, go get him on board. Oh, get eyeballs on our product. It's going to be kind of gimmicky. He does whatever he does. It doesn't matter. And then he flipped the script and just totally came out and.

Mark: It is. Right?

Strolan: You know, so it's just it's all silly. It really is. And if the data all points that people are being most affected will be the amateurs. They know it. They just chose to ignore it. They're like, well, the easy thing to do is just roll back the ball. That's what everybody uses. It's like just bifurcate the driver for pros and get on with it. They don't care. We don't care. I know they play different equipment as it is. I don't have each set of clubs built for me for each course I play. Get out of here is silly.

Mark: and

Strolan: was he was unbelievable, dude. And what I saw reminded me everything I remembered him for. Just like his, you know, as great as Scottie Schaeffler is and as great as a lot of these guys on the PGA tour are even Bryson G. Shambow, even John Rahm, who's playing against, they don't have that juice he had, dude. There's there's no one doing it. And this is like what is all of sudden now this is going to be a thing. Man, sign me up.

Mark: Yes. Right. You don't, but they do. also though, and here's the irony, actually they don't even need to do that. They actually need to increase ball speed because it makes more sense. puts more pressure. It allows the Brian Harmons of the world to compete with and takes driver out of people. It takes the distance advantage out actually. No. Yeah. since we talked about this the first time, I've had a chance to dig in a little bit more about what other podcasts were saying and commentators were saying about him and about his win, ⁓ but also about him. And he has a post up from his coach, Matt Killen, who has worked with a bunch of other people like... And so if you do that, you'll get more of what you want. You're, you, you're still going to have places like, ⁓ St. Andrew's and, ⁓ pebble being, you know, short, gettable courses, but that's not going to change no matter what you do, by the way, because everything, the human is going to overpower it. So if you do, no matter what you do, you're going to do that. You can't take the speed out effectively. You really can't at the top level. I think he was working with Barbara Watson. think that's true, but it may not be. But anyway, it doesn't really matter. He was just talking about, and they were just talking about grinding and how, like, how much work he has put in. He didn't, as talented as he is, he didn't, I mean, to be clear, when he signed with Lib Golf, he didn't have golf shoes.

Strolan: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Mark: You can put some in for everybody, which would help you and me, but also would help the more average swing speed pro compete with those longer hitters. These are, that's just a reality.

Strolan: I mean.

Mark: or clubs. Like, it wasn't like he was casually playing every once in a while. No, he was out, out, out, out. And it took him really a year and a half, two years to just get kind of in that space where he could be a K again. he grinds, dude. That dude grinds. And he said straight up, no, it's not about anything but winning. He goes, big checks and winning.

Strolan: Let's follow the logic chain here, Mark. Okay, let's follow their logic chain. It's like, well, no, but I'm gonna follow it. It's gonna be a rocky road. I'm gonna take you along on my journey here. So here's their logic chain. This just occurred to me. Okay, we need to roll the game back, right? That's what we're trying to do, right? We're trying to roll it back. So yeah, we're gonna try and roll it back so it's.

Mark: Okay. Oh, they don't have one. Oh, okay. You're going to assume. Okay. Okay, cool. We have golden age thinking, yeah, we want to go back to when Nicholas was bombing it, but still had like a seven iron, a seven iron and a seven nine. We forget that the loaves are different now, but whatever, okay. That's all he, that's the reason he's doing it. That's the reason he's here. He's not here to be a cute story. He's not here about anything but winning. And that's what you saw on Sunday. He was like, no, I'm going to win this now. And when he got the lead, not only was he not scared, he'd started pouring it on. Like, was, it was so interesting. So many, even

Strolan: So we're gonna roll the game back. So, okay, we'll start with the ball, and then we'll move on to the equipment. And then, okay, we'll roll that back and massage it as we can. We can't take too many yards off the equipment because people like me and you will start getting really pissed. And they're not gonna buy the new equipment and the manufacturers aren't gonna like that. And so, then you look at, well, do we buy for Kate the game? But anyways, the equipment. then, what are we gonna go after next? Are you gonna go after knowledge? Yep. Yep. Yep.

Mark: a lot of guys because imagine this, like it's been a decade since he's been in that position. And he didn't flinch. And that was almost more impressive than anything else he did on the golf course. he was like, you know, he could have gone another, another nine and just smoked everyone. Like he was going to just keep throwing it down.

Strolan: Are you gonna go after the fact that people have Arcos and they can track their strokes gain? Are you gonna ban that? Are you gonna ban range finders from like everybody now? Are we gonna make everybody walk? No more golf carts. I mean, what are we gonna do? Are we gonna roll everything back? You're not allowed to work out anymore if you play golf. No. Here's some interesting facts about the whole thing is the fact that Okay, you know a lot of people want to throw us live. It doesn't matter It's you know, he just he did it on this like, know non-competitive, you know format It's like hold on a second He if the stars could have lined any better It could not have lined any better for this event because it was it's absolute lives signature event It is a big dick event It's the only one that they have that is put on a legitimate golf You can't go to the gym. You can't go to a kinesiologist and have them tell you what the best exercises are for you to swing faster. There's no more stack. There's no more ripsticks.

Mark: You can't wear anything but polyester and big...

Strolan: Yeah, you can't wear anything about it. No, no, no, no, it's wool. We're going back to wool. We're just going to go back to knickers and wool and high socks like they do in Australia, which they still enforce at some courses. Do you know that in Australia? Up until like the last 10 years, you had to wear high socks. Yeah, they're bitching. mean, is that what we're going to do? Is that the logic chain? All this toothpaste is out of the tube.

Mark: We're doing wool. We're doing knickers.

Strolan: of course, as fast and firm and you got to, and gets windy out there and you have to compete and you have to know how to play on a course like that. And he didn't win against Elvis Smiley or Joaquin Nieman or, you know, whatever other guys, even Tyrell Hatton, you know, who was like fifth or sixth. He was in the final group with fucking John Rahm and Bryson DeChambeau, the two biggest dicks in that fucking whole league.

Mark: That's awesome by the way. I love everything about that. I love everything about that. Right. Well, yes. It is.

Strolan: It's all out, the horses are out of the barn, the cows are in the pasture, but all of sudden we're gonna just bring it all back to save these courses from the pros. How ridiculous does that sound? and he, Bryson DeChambeau kind of checked out. He was four over after the first nine, but he body bagged Rob. I he chased him down, put him in a boggy bag, and then just like really stunted on him on the 17th with another birdie, walk in, in the heart birdie. And the thing about it was it wasn't like what you see a lot on the PGA tour.

Mark: And you but you still can't. But that's the problem. Well, it's super ridiculous when you really unpack it. It is also because if you did all those things, the problem is it's already like the knowledge is already out there. know, Tony Fino doesn't need to know any more about golf to hit it farther no matter what you do. Neither does Bryson DeChambeau, the two big, neither does McElroy. McElroy will just simply hit it.

Strolan: right now with the guys that are really, good. And they're really, really good. They're good as, if not better, Anthony Kim. But Anthony Kim brings juice. Like, he brought like a juice I have not seen since, you know, Tiger or those days. And it's like totally gone with these guys these days. They don't do it. They just play through. And the looks on Jon Rahms and Bryson DeChambeau's face during the whole thing was just telling. They were like in shock.

Mark: harder because he will be able to and then all these other people that don't have the physical skills will just be watched out of the game and they'll be replaced by wait for it even stronger faster athletes so you're not gonna get it but if you are saying that what you want is to have the driver

Strolan: So was absolutely, it was just absolutely crazy. It was, it was something else to watch. Yeah.

Mark: not be so determinant. And I'm not sure that that's a true statement, but I think they really think the driver is I don't think it is, but they do. I think they really think that the driver is too long. And so we have to do something about the driver. And this is the easiest way because a consumable moves it quicker. It's like most effective. Here's your problem. You're not actually going to take the driver out. And if but if you did,

Strolan: I don't think it is at all. They... Mm-hmm.

Mark: say, okay, now the ball can be five miles per hour faster. Let's just pick a number. I don't know what it is. There's a number that makes sense where it pushes the big hitters back a club or two and gives the short hitters an advantage in those moments. Whatever that is, if you did that, well, you'd get what you want. You get people that can't just overpower a course because now it goes too long. Now I have to figure something out.

Strolan: Mm-hmm. All right.

Mark: Now I have to use skill. have to do something besides just although hitting a driver's a skill. Don't get me wrong. But that's there. They don't look at it like that, which is wrong. They look at like what we wanted to shape. And yeah, if you put a badly made ball, it'll shape all you want. But anyway, so I mean, they're even going the wrong right. They shape.

Strolan: Yeah, exactly. I got a box of BALADA Titleists right over here, the professionals right there. We should get those out and we'll shape the fuck out of them.

Mark: Right? We will. It'll look bitching on. Yeah. But for all that, it's you're not actually, you know, if you state that you want the driver to be less of a weapon on a golf course, you actually have to add speed at this point as opposed to take it away because you're not going to be able to take enough speed out to ever get over the athleticism and you're going to ruin the game in a different way. You should you should add speed.

Strolan: Yeah.

Mark: you should probably limit the ⁓ effectiveness of like ⁓ making, the driver harder to hit, except on the, know, if you get, cause right now they're making it to the point where it doesn't matter where you hit it on the face. I don't like that idea from a competitive standpoint.

Strolan: I don't know and I can be talked into that. It's like I can be talked into a world where it's like you're not going to get as much relief on mishits. And I have a ping for 10. You mine's older, but still I have some shots where I hit it. I'm like, ⁓ they look at him like, wow, that's incredibly good for what I thought was a terrible strike.

Mark: Yeah. Right. Pretty surprising, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I could you could talk me into like limiting kind of like the out out, you know, outside of the sweet spot. There's some penalty, reasonable penalty and either make the ball hotter or the sweet spot hotter on the driver. Yeah.

Strolan: Mm. That's what I was going to say. I said, think the sweet, the sweet spot. Solution to this problem is penalize mishits, but add speed to hitting it correctly. And I said, if you do that, I think if you do that, you're going to satisfy a lot of problems, you know, and I think you really will. Or maybe, you know, actually, you're just make it so I don't think make it hot in the center. Just make it so it stays where it's at right now, kind of.

Mark: Right. So the skill is rewarded. Yeah. I'm okay with being, well, I'm okay with it if it would take, if it would level up some shorter hitters to be more competitive in general on the tour. I think it would be good for the tour. It'd be good for everybody. I think that, but that's the only reason to do it. But I do think like limiting the driver's forgiveness would be a good idea. But the problem is, is from a,

Strolan: Yeah, that can be true. And there's also the point.

Mark: if to get on board with your manufacturers, you gotta give us something to do here. And giving more speed off the driver would actually help the game in regard of competition based on the studies that the USGA has done. And other studies, right? Yeah, so they talked about that. think Sasha's talked about that. The reason, the variance is, is because you're taking driver out of people's hands.

Strolan: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Well, here's another, go ahead.

Mark: And that's the reality, right? Do more of that and you'd have more of that.

Strolan: So I think if you kind of do something like that, it made it hot in the middle and less forgiving all around the periphery of the driver, whether that's, that may be shrinking it down, making it a 430 instead of a 460. And that's a possibility too.

Mark: That's a possibility too. ⁓ Although that's interesting that actually generally takes it takes the dispersion actually usually goes like this ⁓

Strolan: Well, know, the why, because you probably concentrate. And this was the second part of my point. You probably concentrate hitting more in the middle when you're dealing with a smaller club. When you have a big old shoe box at the end of a stick, you just whack at it. You you don't think about as much. I know I'm very more very more paying attention to my clubface control in my.

Mark: Yeah.

Strolan: you know, center, you know, contact on irons than I am with a driver where I'm just trying to swing as fast as I fucking can. And that's another thing, too, when you when you do make it so that you have to hit the sweet spot more. What do you do? You swing a little slower. You do it.

Mark: Right. Yeah, it puts a premium on centered strikes, which will negate some speed anyway, right? Yeah.

Strolan: Yeah, well, you know, I play a 44 and a half. I don't play a 45 and a half driver. I think that's insanity. It's like, the fuck you want to drive that long? You know, so it lets me swing a little faster, but I don't generate more club head speed and I'm able to stay more accurate with it. So that's why I 66 percent of my fairways. So, you know, yeah, I track my stats. Arcos. So anyways.

Mark: Riot. are cool.

Strolan: Yeah, stats are cool. So yeah, that's the, you know, we have just again, stunted all over the USGA. Mike wand can, you know, eat a bag of dicks. That's the president of USGA. I guess we're never having him on. Wait, where'd you go? You have an earthquake? Are you okay? You all right? really can't.

Mark: Yeah, we had earthquake. ⁓ We have a labquake going on here. That's what's happening. No, she's here. She's here. She's literally just like, you've been doing this long enough, pay attention to me, but that's okay.

Strolan: I don't hear him, but I sure can see him. ⁓ she's, she's. Well cool, then Cassie, we stunned it on the USGA long enough that, you know, we're right, they're wrong, fuck them.

Mark: Yeah, I think that's enough. We made our point. So you had something interesting you want to talk about.

Strolan: So this is something interesting. It's something crazy. So right now, this weekend, we get the South African Open. It's a world, know, DP world tour event. it's the South African National Open. So know, Gary players probably down there, just doing little leprechaun backflips all over the place. You stole my powder of So anyways, dude, this is crazy. So.

Mark: Right. God bless him. That's so awesome.

Strolan: Andrea Pavon, he's won twice on the DP World Tour and he was staying at his place and his place has this elevator and the word is, like the elevator doors open and he was kind of on his phone and they opened and he kind of walked in. Well the elevator wasn't there and he felt three stories. Yeah, he felt three stories. He's okay, he's all fucked up, he's okay. But yeah, dude, this is like in wild, like absolutely crazy, just like.

Mark: ⁓ shit. ⁓ my god.

Strolan: I'm like, ⁓ my God, I heard this story like this read this story this morning. I'm like, do I got to bring up the podcast? This is absolutely. Can you imagine you're just like, you know, the elevator doors open.

Mark: ⁓ my goodness, dude, that's insanity. Can imagine that fall like, mother of— Yeah.

Strolan: And now I'm I'm elevator guy, because I take the elevator up and down at the Sierra Madre train station on my bike. So it opens up. I walk on, I'm just like looking at my phone or whatever, you know, not paying much attention. The doors open, you just walk in, you don't think much of it and you just that first step and you're just like falling 30 feet. It was three stories, like 30 plus feet.

Mark: Hmm? Yeah. Yeah, 30 plus feet, Jeez. OK.

Strolan: But he's okay. Nothing's life-threatening. He's FaceTiming with his family and he'll be okay. But wow, the DP World Tour, man, that and a little.

Mark: Wow. I didn't know there was hazard pay. Jesus.

Strolan: Well, is, know, South Africa. I don't know about South Africa. It's only like Ernie Els is there. You know, I guess he's repping his peeps down in South Africa. But it's like a $1.2 million perts. Like, not a lot. I don't know. Did they play immunies down there? I don't know what's going on. Do they even have a private club?

Mark: Yeah. How many Krugerads is that? I don't know. That's awesome.

Strolan: Is it like, you know, those homes you see pictures of in South Africa, like around the private clubs, it's like cinder block and then like shards of glass. They don't have razor wires, it's just shards of glass. Like they break bottles and just stick it on the top of the cement.

Mark: Yeah. Yeah, they're innovative.

Strolan: Yeah. Do they have like, you know, bodyguards so you don't walk out and get kidnapped the minute you walk out of your country club? You have to pay extra for that? the... it... That's South Africa. Alright, no, I shouldn't make South Africa. Anyways, Andre, Pavane, dude, our hearts are with you. I hope everything comes out. I hope you bounce back quick. Well, that's a terrible pun. I hope you come back quick. It's like...

Mark: There. Right, like ⁓ certain parts of the world. Like South Africa maybe. Yeah, dude. Wow. Yeah, I you bounce back. Probably bounce pretty good on the first one. Geez. That's awesome. Yeah. Cool.

Strolan: So anyways, I had to throw that in there. anyways, anything else going on, Mark? I think that wraps us up. think we got back on the horse and covered some good ground.

Mark: That's... that is the wrap. That's like it. So ⁓ for a future podcast, ⁓ I have locked down my golf bag. I'm a horrendous ⁓ degenerate. Yeah, it's going to be ⁓ club whore.

Strolan: This is gonna be really interesting here, I swear to God.

Mark: and Tinkerer and I love it because it's, know, clubs are math, all this stuff is math and the more I dive into golf swing and listen to really smart people about it, they're kind of like, I don't know. Like, it's so interesting, the more you get into people that are really, really at high level of this, go, well, every time we think we know what we're doing, someone comes along and does it this way and which is,

Strolan: I mean...

Mark: So, like amorphous or like, anyway, point is I'm going to work on that this year. And so I'm going to go through that journey. I'm to take everybody with me on, and hopefully that's going to include. I really want to do force plates. mean, that's a really big goal this year. Yeah. But so I'm going to do a, ⁓ a post on, what the bag is and why, and we might do a podcast, at least a little bit about like how that process came about.

Strolan: Yeah, we've been talking about it for a while.

Mark: and all that. But so that's all that's about it. That's kind of some future stuff. Otherwise, things are great. I'm glad it only took us four months to do this podcast between. Yeah, it was pretty pretty amazing. But yeah, anything from you, my friend?

Strolan: A little bit. I think if as far as future podcasts go, just a preview a little bit before we get going, we do. I'm to have some some pretty big. Golf moments coming up in the next few months and be Mark talked about it. I don't think I brought it up on the on the podcast, but will be. I'll be heading up the Nation Desert Classic again, you know, for my sixth year in a row for the Nation Desert Classic. I'm excited for that. That's in May and then.

Mark: sweet. Nice.

Strolan: After that in June, I will be the first week in June, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I'm volunteering at the US Women's Open at Riviera Country Club. And I'm super excited for this because my assignment is Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Tuesday, Wednesday during the practice rounds. think Monday we go down there for orientation and whatnot and learn how to use the equipment they're going to give us. But I'm on the driver distance committee, which means I

Mark: Guys...

Strolan: I will be out on the course measuring, know, Nellie Corda's and Charlie Holes and all these other excellent pros that I'm like fans of and I think deserve a lot more exposure. And measuring their drives, Mark. mean, I'm just so fucking at Riviera Country Club. I'm just over the moon about this. yeah. And then so we'll do something like that. And then me and Lucas are heading back to Rams Hill.

Mark: Hmm. That's cool. That's pretty cool. That's gonna be amazing. Nice.

Strolan: And we will be back at the Clash at Rams Hill again this year for the two man scramble. We're going get Lucas into the men's club and he's going have a handicap and we are going actually compete this year. So he is completely falling off golf. He does not did not do senior high school golf. He got cut from the team. He hasn't been playing golf because he's been playing. Girlfriend.

Mark: Oh yeah, yeah, that can divert you a little bit. Yeah, yeah. The power, the power, yeah.

Strolan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's, he's following it. He's following the ⁓

Mark: He's following his nose?

Strolan: Well, maybe that too.

Mark: Maybe that too. We don't know. We don't ask, we don't tell. ⁓ But well, that's understandable. All right.

Strolan: Oh God. Yeah, so but I just I told him actually yesterday he was at work and I was like, hey, bucko, we got a tournament in June. You got your ass back on the golf course. He's like, know. So anyways, we'll get back at it. So that's my upcoming contact for the summer and some good men's club stuff, too. We're playing some really killer courses. So I have a lot of golf on the table. So I'm super excited.

Mark: Hahaha! ⁓ Sweet.

Strolan: And you know, really can't wait for the I don't know what I'll be able to do if I can somehow figure out a way to ⁓ have something on me where I can be like recording what's going on if I'm out there during the practice rounds since it's not a TV thing I may be able to so we'll see. We'll see what happens, you know, but yeah, that's that's what I got going on. So we got some good future content coming up, folks. This would be awesome. Awesome summer. Awesome golf season. Yep.

Mark: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sweet. Well, cool, brother. That sounds exciting. That's going to be great this year. Other than that, I think that's all we got for tonight. So I'll bid you adieu.

Strolan: Mm-hmm. Good night, Mark. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. ⁓ Have a good night. And yeah, I'll see you next time. And take us out, bro.

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