Friends of Disney: What can I say except we're dead soon? I think you mean you're welcome. Nope. I'm pretty sure we're all going to be dead soon with everything happening in politics. Look, the Arian War is not that intense right now. Let's talk about the Coconut War. The Coconut War! Kakamora. Kakamora. to best finding Nemo or the against tafiti or to call to car. Yes. In fact, did know to car means the burned one in Maori? I did not until now. I told you last night you didn't tell me what language it was from. ⁓ Maori. We're on Moana. slowly working through all our favorite Disney princesses. my gosh. have some... So for those of you who don't watch the podcast often enough, I get it, welcome. I don't have a lot of really strong memories with movies. I just have lot of big gaps in my memory. But Moana is one of those things where I have five different memories attached to it, which is very strange, especially because it came out when ⁓ we were high school. See, it took forever for me to watch Moana because I hated the movie when it was released for the same reasons I did not like Frozen. Because it was overhyped and I was like, I don't think I watched it until college for the first time. Oh my gosh. Let's see. I remember when this movie came out because I had a group of friends I made through Twitter back in the day. Hashtag GT live was like the place I hung out because. It just was. And so I made this group of friends and I had a friend who I'm going to call Rainey and she drew fan art for Moana. And I was like, so is it good? And she was like, yes. I didn't watch it until like a year later when it was rerun at one of like, like the big places here in Spokane called ⁓ the Theater, ⁓ where replay old movies. And I with my friend, Megan, same name, different spelling. ⁓ And I cried, I laughed, I was so happy, I downloaded the soundtrack I listened to it ⁓ the time. yeah, for many a year, it was like the most listened to soundtrack ⁓ on phone. Yeah, I really loved Moana. And at point in time, I could do Maui's entire rap. I probably could still do it now, but like I had it down to the beat. I can still do I love Maui's rap in You're Welcome. It is great. I think Maui is the most useless character. Yes. 100%. He's so lovable. don't care. My issue with Maui comes from something I heard said about Dwayne Johnson as a joke, but I kind of thought about it I kind of got sad because I think it is a little bit true. Whenever he needs money, he goes on just acts? No, it's that... Dwayne Johnson... plays the same character. It's just like Jeff Goldblum. No. Cause are you kidding? Like Jim Carrey or still no, like Adam Sandler, Robin Williams. No, I disagree with all of these because I think Adam Sandler is a good one in the sense of all of them have the same personality. It's like that fat girl that always gets put in the fat girl roles in that sorority girl movie, like the Pitch Perfect series. Fat Amy. ⁓ thinking of, Rebel Rebel Wilson. Before she got her surgery, now looks like a skeleton. Yeah. Her surgery and Ozempic. Yeah. But also any other woman that you have seen in like those type of movies. Schumer, I think comes as another one. Yeah. Yeah. But all Dwayne Johnson's typical characters that you see him play in, like I think of ones like, What's that one? I think the football one. there's the game plan. I when I think of him, I think of Jumanji. Jumanji. I'm used to the mysterious island. Never see. I'm used to him in the pacifier where he's like babysitting an entire family. And then there's like this underground bunker in the house and that he uses his like CIA skills to help the kids get through this hard situation I never saw the pacifier. I've been good. I've been wanting to watch the tooth fairy though ⁓ that one was funny, but like I feel like a lot of these all of his characters all have the exact same personality to them the dad but also just dumb high ego high egos yeah i would say that's accurate like always has a high ego always is a little bit dumb the way of like a football player kind of dumb like jockey I Don't know. don't know. ⁓ just well, there's a lot of similarities between his characters for I'm like damn ⁓ Yes, but not not I think his history with the WWE Really kind of helped solidify that because a lot of the WWE is not real fighting. Yes, we all know that one now know this until ⁓ college and yeah, no. Yep. didn't know? No, didn't. Okay, listen, I did not genuinely know that like the WWE was like a real thing until college. And it took me another year after that to learn that like, ⁓ no, that's like mostly staged fighting. And I didn't even learn it from people who watched it. I learned it from MatPat of all people. I felt like an idiot. Yeah, my groomer ⁓ Loved WWE. There's even a WWE website how football has fantasy football. They have one for WWE. That is weird. And you get to create your own fake wrestler and his whole agenda. It's like ⁓ &D, but for wrestling. That's weird. That's so weird. Although back with Dwayne Johnson in this movie, I like him as Maui a lot. I love. Given also his history with the movie. Like Maui was designed after his grandfather. I love that. to a T was designed after I think his grandfather. And so he was purposely casted like with because of that inspiration and stuff as well. But speaking of elders in this movie, the grandma's my favorite. Like Disney grandmas go hard. Dude, I love this grandma. Like, when I think of my grandma like passing away, I hope to God she becomes an animal that is around me 24 seven. Squirrel. Like I. like a cat, but... That the most ADHD thing you could have done, Squirrel! Squirrel. it's true, would be a squirrel. That's the most around us across Washington. I really hope it be a cat. Like, I just think it incredibly how the grandmother perceives life because she... Like how I see it is she very much sees life in a spiritualistic way, which is we know this I think what this is like similar to like what we talked about during the Pocahontas episode. Yeah with the Native American culture with them being the spiritualistic but With that she kind of she already knew ⁓ in body like what animals she would be attuned to and how she wanted to provide back into the earth and obviously got the wrong back tech too. mean, that made it very clear with the glowy fish in the water. But my gosh. OK, ⁓ one, have to tell her the theory that you heard. And two, did you realize that she had manta rays ⁓ on dress? The grandma does. I think she knew what she was going to be. Yeah. But she actually has like Manta rays as well. Like she has the tattoo, but also like, think there was other areas that I noticed Manta rays with her. So it doesn't surprise me. But I heard this. I told Megan about this kind of sad theory. ⁓ the grandma says like she was there on the beach that day when the ocean chose Moana as a baby. which Baby Moana is absolutely adorable. Oh my gosh. I couldn't. Okay, so our baby is learning how to walk. And so there's a very specific walk that like- A learning baby. It's like a very like a waddle. It's a waddle with the arms out that looks like kind of like a zombie walk. so Baby Moana did it in the movie and I nearly started crying. And then- so funny. But there's also a way that like diapers move on a baby. And it- It did the same thing on Moana. was just like, oh my god, it's so cute. All the mother instincts came running forward. And I was like, baby, Moana is so precious. But in the movie, the grandma dies shortly after she gives the Stone of Te Fiti to Moana. And so this theory I saw years ago was saying basically the stone was keeping the grandma alive. And so when she gave up the stone, basically gave up the, she basically gave up the ability to stay alive for Moana. mean, that makes a lot of sense. It does make a lot of sense, it's also like heart wrenching to think about that. She basically gave up her life to save everyone ⁓ which like big power grandma. Yeah. It's what we're the boomers do. But instead, I had such an issue with Moana's dad in this movie. I it. I get where the dad's coming from. The issue I have with the dad is the issue I have in general with most men. And it's the fact that like he had his own experience and he had let that shaped his entire life. That's a very valid life experience thing to go through and is understandable to not. want your daughter to face the same thing of a life-threatening situation like that. But also, you don't need to control everyone in your family to make sure that doesn't happen. The thing I don't understand. And you don't need to control their life because... Or everyone on your island. Yeah. Humans, we're human. We make our choices. We do. I have a couple of thoughts on this. but what bothers me also about his, the way he reacted with Moana is that we see when Moana is like more aged up, like I think whatever her age is in the living, I she's 16, they're having issues finding fish. So there's scenarios where they're allowed to go in the water, not beyond the reef, but ⁓ the water. He even let Moana go in the water. Like, you can raise her and let her go in the water and just raise her with the idea of not going beyond the reef. Instead, you put this giant thing against everything she wants to do. And if you know a teenager, you tell them not to do something. And they'll want to do it three times as hard. So I'm like, this whole issue could have been mitigated if he gave her the same boundaries he gave everyone else, but also. ⁓ The other thought I had with this, trying to remember it now. God dang it, I'm having trouble remembering it now. You go I try to remember. The other thing that I know bothered Sean last night when we were watching the movie is ⁓ she's not allowed on the beach. Like there was a scene where like she was talking to her grandma and they were walking to the beach. And there happened to be canoe on it, but like, what if Moana just really enjoyed building sandcastles? And they're on an island, which is by definition surrounded by water. Like, no matter how far she walks, and I know the song, How Far I'll Go, literally she's going to run into water everywhere. Like eventually she's going to have to go on a beach, my guy. the other thing I think about all the time ⁓ especially because of ⁓ ⁓ family is located. I have been that if you live near a body of water, you've gotta learn how to swim. Like, it's just, you gotta do it. And the only one in his family who knows how to swim among his siblings. They didn't know how to swim. Not competently. Like my sister was with us last summer. Didn't know how to swim. I was actually starting to teach her over the summer. My brother definitely know. other sister, she the best best. I haven't seen her swim, but she has the next best chance of being active. But like I was actually like on my high school swim team. I knew different strokes and everything else. I can. swim without holding my nose. I think it's so silly that like, they love it on island where like, islands are very like, susceptible to like, the ocean doing what ocean does during like, hurricane season. ⁓ like, tides coming in and out, like, they need to know how to swim to like, survive. ⁓ the fact that he's like, no, don't go near the water. It's just so silly to me. It's so silly. I just realized that this is a, I know like we know this as a trope, but this is a really weird trope with Disney movies because Ariel's dad has the exact same boundary. Jasmine's dad, as we'll talk about in a lot in here in a couple of weeks, has the exact same boundary. it's ⁓ easy trope of I'm not allowing you to do the one thing that the person does the one thing they were not allowed to do. How do they conquer the conflict with the loved one? mean, okay, I get it. But growing up, I had to walk to school with my siblings. No, with just my sibling, because my brother wasn't old enough to walk with us yet. So we had to walk the long way around to school. And there was this big woods. that like you could technically walk to and it would be faster. But we weren't allowed to walk in that forest without a parent. Why? Because it was a big forest and I didn't want us to get lost, blah, blah, blah, blah, although there was a clear trail. Do you know how bad I want to walk in that forest? Very bad. Did we ever sneak through that forest? Never. I wish you would have. I would have. 100%. 100%. Here's the thing. I didn't even think about it until I was in high school. And then when I was in high school, I was like, hey mom, can I go walk through the forest? And she was like, ⁓ yeah, you're in high school or you can do that now. and this is like funny because like if I were to show you, so like they built a Walmart near my parents house ⁓ stuff when I was in middle school and there was this actual trail made that connected the neighborhoods near around it ⁓ it. And there was actually a way for us to walk to Walmart that also went through like a forest area and such. So I think you would have like lost your mind. Yeah, I was a very non rebellious child, like super non rebellious. Look, that's what I did every day. I just left the house and walked somewhere in Gran Cooley that my parents had no clue about and then I would show up right before dark and then just go to bed. Yeah, no, my...nope. didn't even occur to me as a kid. Didn't even occur to me. If Disney were to try and do something different... Cause like it's an easy trope to use. And it's always that same thing. Some parental figure gives a boundary. Don't cross it. Don't leave the tower. Don't you shut up. I'm a man. You're a woman. Don't take my place in war. It's such an easy trope to use. What's different type of trope you would want to see used? I know. Say things. This guy is sound. Horrible, but the Christian war between the Irish People So the Presbyterians and the Catholics had have a continuous ongoing war in faith. But the Irish had a really bad one. This is true. I think it would be great for Disney to take some of these history moments Disney fi them. That would be an interesting movie. would you disney-fie a christian Same way they did it in hunchback. Made it explicit. But I mean is like- ⁓ boppin called hellfire. I love song. Hellfire! But like what I mean is like, okay, let's say we have a new Disney princess. Okay. ⁓ Rather than some parental figure or whatever saying- You're not allowed to do the one thing you're wanting to do. She never knew she was a princess. She was lost at birth. Her parents tangled. Hahaha! but no, was not locked in a tower. Okay There is just this princess her parents died sleeping Beauty parents died we're falling into frozen territory I know that okay, but like she was a baby when the parents died All right, so now we're falling into some jungle book territory. All right. And then let's just say the society collapsed. They have no leader now and they're just like, you're of age. So what I'm hearing is- Figure it out. Wait, am I hearing a dystopian movie? Yes, a dystopian Disney princess movie. OK, that'd be interesting. OK. All right, Disney, got some challenges. OK, OK. While you were talking about that plot, it reminded me of a book I read a long time ago. Don't even ask me the title, cannot tell you. But basically it was about a girl who was a princess, quote unquote, knew she was a princess, had to live in basically hiding. And so then someone overtook the person who was in charge, an evil on the floor or whatever. And it turns out that like... 12 different girls were told that they are the princess and they have to stay in hiding for XYZ reason. No one knows who the true princess is, so they all come together and they're like, okay, well, they basically just decided to delegate, like, oh, you're good at strategy. You can be the strategy princess by figuring out what a princess is. You're really good at making love to the princess. Oh my God. 12. They were 12. Okay. Let's not go, OK, that's bad. That is bad. I was definitely thinking they were more age appropriate because I recently just got done reading a book. It's called Death Bound. But essentially it I got to the point where the book ended of the main character, who is the knight, is actually the princess. ⁓ they she got switched at birth and was. given to a knight to be raised and he taught her everything that a knight knows just a normal commoner became the princess and actual princess is like, you can stay the princess. I'm good my sword. That sounds like the plot point the Prince Charming in Once Upon a Time. ⁓ what's great is they're lesbians. I'm in love. It's great. I also hate lesbian relationships, which is so weird for being bisexual. But anyways, I don't know. Like, I don't have any thoughts on any idea of a tropes, really. I won't lie. Like, are guys. ⁓ It's because here you guys like bring up examples of stories. I'm like, this sounds like this movie. This sounds like this movie. This sounds like this movie. ⁓ yeah. What did my book remind you of? Yours not, reminded me of this one ⁓ on Disney Plus. It's like the secret society of second born royals where they had like this ⁓ of like, where it's like not like the first born royals that are like gonna be the royalty. It was like their younger sibling and they all have like special powers and they have this like secret like agents. Lion Guard? ⁓ But like, again, like yours reminded me of something with Once Upon a Time. from a moment ago, you were reminding me of like Princess and the Popper as well. there's, which come to think of it, don't think Disney's actually done a Princess and the Popper story except for like a Mickey version, which is funny to me. I don't know. Like there's so many, in terms of like story stories, like there's so many done, but it's weird that there's some that like we all know about like Thumbelina. Disney hasn't done a Thumbelina. See, how are we going to go on to a different topic? with Moana because along the lines of story tropes, Moana brings a different sense of story hood and liveliness to me because of this whole Voyager expedition that goes on. You really try and look at where we are now and you're wow, there's not ⁓ much to anymore. Except. for the ocean in space. was literally thinking unless you go down, down, down, or you go up, up, up. Yeah. And really, have been doing a lot of research into what a lot of tech companies are their money into and what other companies are investing their money into. And yes, a lot of it is AI, But they're also investing their money into a lot more space programs to work on inhabiting humans to have us explore the stars. so I think this is going to be interesting because it always has me questioning, is true purpose of the human being? to explore the universe that God created through the Big Bang because there's still only our world that we know of. And it is very possible because we're all made out of the same stuff, which is space stuff. We are literally all stars. You're a star. Yes. OK. Watch out world, I are. Yeah, we quite literally are all stars. All right. But. If you are to look up like what is in our body 70 % water, know, like salt other minerals and things like that. All of those things are found here on Earth. They're also found all in space. How many other planets has humans just not evolved yet because they haven't gotten there? Or how many planets do they have? a higher civilization of human because their anatomy of whatever creatures and I would like to think that if we were created in the image of God, I would assume he probably created more humans looking like us. I think he understands we might be scared. Yes. So you're basically asking the spiritual equivalent is of if they are aliens. Yes, but I really think that they're just humans now. because I really sit there also Lilith, really ⁓ first wife. ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's like some history that goes on there with Lilith and that he had a wife before. It's complicated. It's complicated. But, you know, all of us have different worldviews and I have a hard time believing now that we are truly the only... I thought we established in the Princess and the Frog episode that all of those things in this guy are fireflies. I thought we agreed on this. big balls of gas if you're listening to Tyrone. No, Pumba. Pumba and Timon, not Tyrone. I love how you're thinking of like how far we came from like how stuff is presented in Moana. Okay, so here's part of this. I lot of this is also from what I've been watching the Daily CEO or the Diary of a CEO ⁓ every and he brings on guests that are extreme scientists. He brings on guests that are our doctorates in psychology. He brings on big political figures like ⁓ really people and These people who are very smart and intelligent, who have gone to such great places in life are such philosophical thinkers ⁓ ⁓ one of them was about Christianity. honestly, I loved what he had to say because he's like, you guys need to take the Bible literally, but not. And he's like, I know that's always preached, but he's like, it is preached in a more simpler text of like, you need to look at the story, not the word. So ⁓ have told you many a time, I a theology student. And there's story that one of the professors tells. And so there was this one student who came in and was on the edge of deciding whether he was Christian or not. so they were reading a book of the Bible. I remember which one, but there was ⁓ a animal. I'm going to just say it's a tiger. Tigers don't live in the United States for the record. They're not original here. If they are here, we brought them here. And it was the same The reason I bring that up is like, if we read a tiger inside the Bible, like we know what that is, right? But we know it's dangerous and all that. Well, this student decided to go above and beyond and was like researching whatever animal was in the story. Yeah, it didn't live during that time, nor did it live on like the continent during that time. And because of this, he decided he did not believe in God because someone wrote it wrong. And what? The professor was trying to tell him, yes, that animal did not exist during this time on this place, but we reinterpret the Bible so that way people today can understand the story of it. One thing I found so interesting is he, this person had done a really good job at explaining the difference between oral and written culture. So written culture is going to be very specific of what is occurring at that time. So obviously, like right now, as we are recording, we have video that is time stamped of exactly what we are doing. That is a written culture. An oral culture is in Moana. Yet, yes, like in Moana. But also here's an oral cultural event that we all know. Well, that's exactly like 9-11. Everyone knows about it because we know it's a thing that happened. And there's also written proof of it. Yes, exactly. And that it written culture. would be more of what it showed in Moana, where we hear the story of Maui at the beginning of the movie being told by the grandma. They don't have any evidence that it happened, but most people don't believe it happened. This is how the Bible ⁓ coming along orally is people know about Jesus, they know about his history, and they know about preachings of other people, from the Old Testament, that they have passed those stories ⁓ from traumatic life events that they had witnessed all together of just like, yeah, we don't do this because this big event. I want to jump back in and talk about music because, ladies and gentlemen, ⁓ I have to say Lin-Manuel Miranda wrote the music for this And fun fact. OK, this is a silly fun fact. I forgot I was talking voyaging. I just wanted to conclude. ⁓ I just think we're meant to explore the stars now at this But anyways. Okay, so my sister was a huge thespian, not lesbian, thespian. She loves the theater and especially musicals. She introduced me to a lot of musicals that I know love. And when I was younger, I would get really bad headaches to specific sounds. I still do, but I'm better about it now. And one day she was playing Hamilton famously wrote by Lin-Manuel Miranda. So one day I have a headache and I'm like, can we please listen to Moana? Because I said earlier in the podcast I loved it and it is what I listen to. My sister's like, Megan, they are written by the same person and I did not believe her. So she googled it and that's how I started listening to Hamilton was because I was like, I like Moana. I guess I should listen to Hamilton and then I became obsessed with Hamilton. no, Lin-Manuel Miranda Also sings in this with the Voyager song. During the flashback when Moana's in the cave and she hits the drum, the song that plays in air was like, how we know. And during that song, George Washington, okay, not actually Washington, raised up the grave. George Washington from the OG cast of Hamilton also sings in that. And that makes me so gosh darn happy. Okay, now you can go, Sean. Thank you for letting me. was gonna say, I find it funny how the way you approach musicals in regards to Lin-Manuel Miranda ⁓ how most people approach movies. has this actor. I gotta go see it. It's how I approach Post Malone, man. ⁓ And for her, it's Lin-Manuel Miranda. I'm like, ⁓ my gosh, Lin-Manuel Miranda wrote this thing. I need to go see it. That's really- So we're going to go watch Mufasa, right? No, we're going to go to a Post Malone concert, right? Sure. OK. But that's literally why I watched Tic-Tac-Boom, because I was like, ⁓ my gosh, I know Lin-Manuel Miranda. I love that guy. Let me go watch that movie that he directed. Shush. So. I got no jump up. know you love Lin- Lin- Lin- Yes, it's true. I love that guy. He's such a... Cinema normal. So despite me hating this movie when it first came out, because I hate- again, it was shoved down my throat. It was too popular. I refused to watch it for a while. Let me talk. You guys had your turn. It was too popular. Wrong SHINee! No. What I like about this movie is that it really ⁓ one of a few pieces of media where it makes me really want to live in Hawaii in terms of like the culture and lifestyle there where it's like simpler, more to earth, love living in nature. We live in the Pacific Northwest. How much more simpler does it get than that? Tell that to the snow outside my window. I'd rather live in a tropical paradise. agree. Okay, my favorite flower is the hibiscus. I don't know if you knew this, they're literally littered throughout this movie and it makes me so happy and like the music there. Have you got the references to the other movies in this movie? They're so good and they're so clever for the most I know of at least Three off the top of my head. I know, four. I might be forgetting one, but hold on. So in the beginning, like all the, when like the grandma is like telling the story and she's like, his gay bubble death. And then like all those posters fall down. One of them Marshmallow from Frozen, the big snow monster. ⁓ of them is him. One the Kakamora. Is Baymax. Is Baymax. ⁓ He's to look like Baymax. It's so funny. then, is that, it's at the end of the movie, right? For the tingled flower? The tingled flower. Yeah. It's like when, after, ⁓ to, Fiti is like bringing like all the flowers back and you see it on the island and it's like the first flower that blooms. Yeah. The tingled flower and stuff is also in this movie as well. And Wreck-It Ralph. You forgot Wreck-It Ralph is in this movie. Where's Wreck-It Ralph? If, like, if you're watching it all the way to the end, there is a picture of Wreck-It Ralph. made in the tapestry art style. I missed that one. It was at the end of the movie and end credits. But yeah, but no, in terms of wanting to live in Hawaii and stuff and just like those tropical areas, there was a good period of time Megan can attest to this. I was actually trying to learn how to speak the Hawaiian language because I really badly wanted to live over there because I love the vibes over there. I'm so sorry, I just- I would not handle the weather. A new memory popped up for me, I'm sorry. ⁓ you're fine. Okay, so I had a roommate in college, her name is Maya. Hi, Maya. Everyone say hi to Maya in the comments. She was from Hawaii. Fun fact. so ⁓ recently watched the movie in college, just like the two of you, and she was telling me that a bunch of her friends from like the islands- were also watching it and she was telling me about how a bunch of different mythos from across like the islands of the Polynesian islands were like mixed to make this movie. And she was like, it was one of the first movies that made me feel like home. I just almost cried. See, I find it interesting that she said that because when we lived in our dorm hall freshman year, that same year that you were with Maya. I remember talking because our dorm had a lot of ⁓ Polynesian students. Yeah. I have a lot of history with these Polynesian. ⁓ I don't know ⁓ you were there for this, Jonel, but I remember talking with a couple of them that we were friends with. ⁓ I just remember partying with them. I know you do. But. I remember when I'm saying that, like, they actually didn't like Moana because it depicted, like, island life to be too... Yes. Yeah, because, and I've also heard this from islanders. They're like, it's not sunshine and rainbows on the island. I mean, this last, was it this last summer? We saw the huge fires that had happened on the island and only one house stood. because it was made of literal bricks rather than wood. Sorry. The three little pigs come to my mind on this one. I know. And then I look at all the houses here being built in the Pacific Northwest. OK, I found this an ⁓ fact, too, because me and my partner just really look on investing in houses. But one the best structures that stands are the houses that are made out of clay. Because of fact of how thick the wall is, but also it is a house that is living and breathing with nature because it acts with nature. does not act with nature. ⁓ walls of a house here are filled with, you know, a whole bunch of ⁓ to make sure the house stays warm and stuff like that. Insulation. Yeah. ⁓ insulation for these bricks house is just more bricks, but they're in places with deserts where the sun is just hitting on the bricks. So they use multiple layers of bricks to have one layer just absorb all the heat and then the other layers keep the cool inside the house because AC is not a thing. See, it's interesting thinking about that because I think about like the weather we experience here because Like brick, bricks, a brick house would not go super well, I feel like. know we have a fair amount of them here in Spokane. Like concrete brick, think that would do better. But like, because I think about like clay would not do good. We hit negative temperatures as well as triple digit temperatures within a single year. Yeah, we need like a multi-purpose house that is like. Which I think is why we go to wood, because. Even though wood itself doesn't work with nature, gives us a means of being able to artificially control the inside and the outside through means as AC slash, and then also like furnace heating and stuff like that. Yeah. ⁓ Back Moana after that tangent. we were talking about like how it glamorizes Island life. ⁓ yes. also the tropical weather is not all sunshine and rainbows every day. More like hurricanes ⁓ lots of rain and wind. And then they have the volcanoes that are active. And then they also have the military base, which most of the time is fine, but we are in a war right now. So we can imagine how that's probably going. And not to mention all the visitors. So a lot of the businesses there are very hotel service to base and Hawaii does not I don't think they have as many advantages as they do here on the mainland when it comes to business opportunities. So these islanders quite literally the US islanders of today are stuck in a less opportunity ⁓ their own state. Well in there you can say stuff before I go. I So my grandparents used to own a condo in Hawaii. I'm not going to say which island because I don't want to. Anyway, they were constantly having things redone. My grandfather was telling me a long time ago that during a storm, a rock hit a window. And this window was high up. there was the first story and the second story. And the second story is where the bedroom was, but you could look out onto the ocean. and ⁓ it shattered. There was like three pains of glass. It shattered the first two. And so if any gust of wind were to hit it, you could get killed. You could get cut out but not killed. Right? Fun. And so my grandfather put in a work order for this pain of glass to be fixed. took two weeks just to hear back. took another two weeks to get someone to actually come and look at it. It took two more months for someone to fix it. And so... How much of that was shipping? I don't... Here's the thing. I don't know. my grandfather bought on these rants, my thing was I was like, my grandfather is a very particular person. He just wanted to vent to get it off his chest, right? I was not asking questions to get to know the situation. But he always had this thing where it's like, because the islands are so small... There's only like so many businesses that let's say do roofing, right? You have like three. so, and they know this. like, even if like it took them three years to complete it, you only have three companies to choose from. So it's on their time. Well, and also I remember this when I took my, so last year I took a intercultural communications class, different than interpersonal. Last year? yeah. ⁓ I remember something we talked about in that class is like the perception of time in like different countries in different areas. even though Hawaii is part of the U S I'm going to say this way for a reason. It's not part of the U S by any means, because of it being an Island, like even Alaska is still connected to the continental United States, just through Canada, but it's still connected to the mainland. Hawaii is. off the shore of, think California, a ways away. And so like, it's very much their own culture there. And so I feel like a part of that, not only is it like, well, you have limited options, you're kind of stuck on our time, but also because of the culture, wonder if it's because like their perception of time is a lot more lax. Here, it's very much, if I send you an email today, I expect you in a response within the next few business days. so if I send it on a Friday, I expect it by probably Wednesday the next week and And so I feel like with Hawaii, yes, like there's like the shipping parts because everything has to be imported to the islands, which drives costs exponentially. And export it. Let's not forget about that. Yeah, the exporting as well. Not to mention like Yeah, they're limited available space, which also drives up costs and everything. But then you also have this culture that Like how you mentioned earlier with the grandma, how spiritual she is and how we talked about with Pocahontas and the natives. Some from what I have seen and learned a little bit about Hawaiian culture. It's a lot more lax, a lot more relaxing. Like, you know what? It's okay. It's chill. We're going to get to it. Like, just going to take our time. We're like living life. Okay. ⁓ ⁓ as someone who's traveled quite a bit. Americans have a very strict time. Yes. Like if I say come here by eight, you better be here by eight. And if you're late, we will all gossip about you. if you're early, we will also gossip about you, but also think you are like higher than the person who's late. Listen, hear me out. I went so with a youth group. We were going to watch this big game that was happening Gonzaga and something big was happening in March. I can't remember. March Madness. They to the finals. It's fine. ⁓ And we were told, and this is like ⁓ south, we were going to Tijuana, but it was like a few cities before we actually got to the border. And so there was this family that we were supposed to know that we were supposed to meet for this big game. And so they told us, ⁓ be right there by four. It was 440. 450 and this woman walks out the door and was like, ⁓ Come on in ⁓ youth group leader was like you said to be here by four and she was like that was just like an estimated time ⁓ could have been here by five and it would have been fine and like we had like that whole then ⁓ just looked flabbergasted ⁓ ⁓ when we went to Tijuana like breakfast was ⁓ seven So even mosey done it 645 Some people mostly down by 730. They would still serve you. You would still get like everything and everyone was like so chillax. We're like, okay, we're leaving by nine. Some people arrived at 920 and everyone was just so chill about it. So calm, so polite. There wasn't- The embodiment of the ish suffix. Dude, I need to live in this place. I think there's a lot of things that went- This sounds great. This is my time estimate. I asked my boyfriend today when he would get off work and he's like 1230-ish. So I left right at 1220. And right as I got by the college we all went to, he called me and he's like, hey, so can you pick me up from work now? I'm like, yeah, I'm already on the way. And then he's like, ⁓ cool. Where are you at? And I'm like, Whitworth. And then he's like, So almost here. And I'm like, yeah, I'm almost here. No. bring this up because I feel like it's also just like in Moana's culture, we see that like, we see it in like the opening song, right? Where like, everyone has like their place, ⁓ like everyone's also like, just doing like, life just looks so simple. I don't want to say simple. I feel like it's just less structured than Americans. less stressful. Like, I find it interesting, like, you don't hear anyone in Moana mention a time. not ⁓ it's not sundown, there's no three o'clock, it's just life. get make some food. What time is it? don't know. Grow a grove over there. She's doing great. Like, I think an challenge. I'm gonna throw this challenge to people. to go a day without paying attention to the time. ⁓ god, it's horrible. Do you know what my most worn accessory is? Your watch. My watch. a day without looking at the time. You guys get so mad at me when I do. I know. Because it involves me not using my phone and I'm like... Oh my god, life is so great when I don't use my phone. Cause you're not looking at the time and seeing all our messages like, don't know where the hell are you? Yeah. Jonel is the baby, okay? And I'm like, yeah, I'm working. And the baby's laughing and I have the cats cuddling and there's, I am actively now with like four things living, just constantly wanting my attention. Justin Percy, honey, who's the fourth Apollo Apollo? Mm-hmm. I didn't I didn't think you're an Apollo word that tight Apollo's cat by the way Yeah, my boyfriend's cat's name is Apollo. No, okay So Justin is like we all know him to be like a very much dude type of guy, you know He will just be like, yep. I need some me time. I'm gonna go play my video games. Yes, Percy, we all know my cat, loves to stare at me. He is like, he is a mama's boy. And Honey, her mother abandoned her, so she is very clinged on to me. But once my boyfriend doesn't acknowledge his cat anymore, his cat comes to me and then is like, you're mine. So am ⁓ constantly taking care of three animals. ⁓ Sometimes we're up Justin's in the can I tell you guys an issue I have with this movie? Yes. Yes, ⁓ too episodic This movie The sequence of the plot in this movie happens in episodes I guess it does but it doesn't really bother me because I feel like I feel like most movies aren't episodes and I hate it ⁓ But you see what I mean though you have the opening stuff Like I could break this movie up into episodes and title it and it'll make sense because you have the Kakamora scene. you have the shiny scene. Then you have to car. You also have the opening scene. Grandma, ⁓ goes to the boats and grandma dies. But I think the thing that makes it. okay for me the time in the ocean ⁓ that's when we get the character building between Maui and Moana. That's when it goes from ⁓ peeing in the ocean to him teaching her how to wayfind to like them being besties. I wish it would have had more of an adventure ⁓ feel it in terms of them trying to get to Tikal because I feel like they were just relied on this whole ⁓ Maui knows everything and then you just- And Maui knows nothing. And you have this random monsters that just show up because they need to fill the space. I don't think Maui knows everything. I think he's really good at wayfinding and he's really good at- How do they know where it is? Maui went there before. Exactly my point. Maui knows everything. the one who stole the heart. He's the one who stole it. But they could have had at least a little bit more adventure of like, okay, how do we get to to Ka? Besides, like just fall to this point in the ocean. was like, ⁓ ⁓ you see that star and that constellation? That's where we're going. But like, no puzzle together, no gateway. You figure this is a goddess. Not But I mean, if you think about to the times when we had settlers coming over, they probably figured out how to get to the United States by looking at the stars. Well, yeah, the stars were used to navigate. And we do have several scenes where the ocean did go awry and they had issues with their wayfinding because of that. I'm going to use an Indiana Jones even National Treasure ⁓ better describe it. just don't think that adventure fits with the ocean. Or this can? ⁓ think the fact that it is the ocean means it can, especially when you're dealing with gods and goddesses. ⁓ that basically happened in the ⁓ movie. Which I still have not seen. Which I actually like because the whole thing was like we need to get to the other... ⁓ like the rest of our people that stayed on their islands. So we have to meet these goals, meet these trials to get to this point in this God to do the thing. But see now they're not looking for a place specific. The island they were going to in the first one is very specific with a specific star location. So they have to use the wayfinding of that specific location, which at the time they don't have GPS and a map they got. Yeah, that's Orion, the bottom of Orion's belt. That's where we need to go. I I had I have this theory, a film theory, if you will. We hear in the You're Welcome, which is a bop that Maui is someone who pulls up the oceans from the sea. We also hear again. When like, it was talking about how like the ocean loved it when he pulled up oceans for Moana's people. What did I say? You keep saying oceans. pulling up islands because the ocean loved it when Moana's people went to discover them. And know that they stopped sailing ⁓ because of life being like the heart of defeat being stolen. My question when the darkness takes over the island does the island disappear? think that's the idea because I think it's like everything gets killed. So hear me out. What if the reason that there's not more of like the islands for them to like because you imagine there should be some island out there somewhere besides like the island of monsters which is already magical. Is this the big bang theory? No I'm thinking I'm thinking that Because the Heart of Te Fiti was stolen, the islands disappeared, and that's why they didn't run into anything else. You need to watch the second movie. I did not watch the second movie. When the second movie came out, where was I? Maternity leave. I was on maternity leave with a baby. And so I didn't go see Moana too because I was with a baby. Yeah, a lot of that will come answered in the second movie. I don't even remember the second movie, if I'm being honest. That's because the second movie honestly wasn't that great. I know some of the songs from that movie. ⁓ Because I was with kids who really loved it the second movie songs this the second movie songs really suck was one bop if it's the bat. Is it the Bat Lady song? The Bat Lady or the Bat Lady Bat Lady Probably ⁓ they also really like to get out Moana probably But anyways, we're gonna let you guys go. We'll see you next time for brave. I'm tired ⁓ bye plans. Good night ⁓