Wizzard: hear it but I see Anthony. Packwood: That's all there. Gary: Packard's making noise. You know what the funny thing about that is? The whole time you're just on the screen. Packwood: As-salam. Gary: You're on the whole time, you're on the screen. You're on the whole time. I don't even think... Packwood: Good. That sound. Wizzard: Well, he deserves it. He deserves it, right? He deserves it. His team. Gary: Well that's it, yeah that's it. That's it, that's it. Alright, welcome, Monday night, footy. From Mulligans again. I don't know if they're online yet, but when they do get online, we'll give them a shout out. Reans just texted me now saying he's good to go in one minute. We're up. Yeah, so. Well, what do we wait? We are, I know, yeah. Contrary to what we believe, what happened to you in the week, Wiz? Packwood: Yeah, winners only. So that's number eight. Bands back together, what's the crack? Gary: I heard you got spotted on the train. Packwood: Hahaha Wizzard: Listen, there's been some shout outs out there, you know, um, uh, I think it was Tuesday coming home from, I don't know, Tuesday, maybe it was probably Thursday. I don't know. It's been guys. It's been a week. It's been a week. Fat. We've had, we've been deleting some drinks this past week between St. Patty's day and between March madness. So you may catch me just my brain just going in all different directions, but, uh, yeah. And then we'll get to it later. Newcastle losing. So yeah, I'm in a great state right now. So Gary: Go on. Packwood: Yeah, I can see it in the air. Hahaha Wizzard: But yeah, I think a fan, yeah, I mean, yeah, know, prices are going up, baby. So, um, yeah, I actually had one of our fans, uh, hit me up. He's like, yo, you're the guy from the podcast, the football one on Monday nights. was like, hell yeah. And then I think he's been in the bar, seen, seen it there. I think he said it hit his YouTube algorithm too. So shout out to everyone out there that is watching, make sure to like, and subscribe again. Packwood: that why you're doing this in the dark? So no one can recognise you? Like saving on the electricity bill? The fucking hell! ⁓ Wizzard: But yeah, it's always excited to hear from the fans. So we love hearing from you and positive stuff too. Packwood: I'll set the wiss. Yeah? Gary: Absolutely, yeah, definitely. And for those lads, no. Packwood: We're not scared of their negative stuff though. Like, let's just punch some bears out there, you know. Wizzard: No, no. Gary: Yeah, there's going to be a lot of that. I would imagine tonight after the I mean, I think in the one of the group chats that I'm in, I think the only person that was successful this weekend was QPR Pat. Everybody else's team in that group chat lost. But if you were if you're in Mulligans and you what you are watching us on the telly, hopefully Reins put 50 P in the meter. Take a picture. Tag yourself. Tag us in it as well. And we'll we'll get it shared on the socials. And then obviously, as usual, if you've got an opinion, ping it in the comments. and usually we will try and get it going. mean, it might get a little, it might get a little bit of conversation going tonight as well because have, ⁓ we can recap last weekend, we haven't got a lot going on this weekend, have we? Unless you look at the internationals, Ireland, have got the playoffs, Wales have got the playoffs, but for England, it's a, have you got an Irish top on there, mate? Is that an Irish tracky top you've got on? Packwood: Massive. This is me, Everton brought out a St Paddy's Day bit of merch. And was at whatever time in the morning, half, half. Wizzard: What a twirl. Gary: Is that straight off St. John's Market, that one? Packwood: Nope off the website, but I booked it I did it like 3 o'clock in the morning with up with the baby blah blah blah and I put it in and I was like alright that jacket isn't expensive got the t-shirt that's not as expensive it was close to double and I didn't see the post-it packaging because of the post-it packaging and you've kicked off all this before and I've been like whatever you're a minge bag I think it was $67 postage I was like fucking hell Gary: No, yeah. It's ridiculous, mate. It's not worth it. Yeah. You know where you're better off going? Straight dodge. Go to Dodge Land, buy something. I actually bought one of the Adidas Trackies off the Adidas website here, but everything else is full dodge. Yeah. It's mental, innit? It's mental with the tariffs. ⁓ not getting any worse. It's not getting any better in a while. Packwood: For two tops. Yeah. What you like? Yeah, well, mad, I thought you were being all wiggineers about it, but no, you were accurate with your your sensitivities in there. Yeah, I do want to with the English stuff, I want to talk with the island one a little bit. I do want to talk with that squad, that squad's dicey, but I don't want to kick off with it. I want to kick off with the the prem and all the positivity associated to that. Yeah. Gary: No? Wizzard: You Gary: Did they, well no, we'll get to it. We will go to international football because it is gonna be a thing. all this, so we talked before and we just mentioned it again and we'll talk about him. Where's your man crush, Mr. Welbeck? You all right there, mate? Don't go dying on us, mate. I can't run to Obokan to save you if you're gonna stroke out. Wizzard: I I thought I fought to get to that mute button man that water went down the wrong pipe Gary: So, the one drink you can't handle is a bottle of water. were looking at, everyone's been going on, haven't they, about the youngster for Arsenal, right? And everyone's been saying about youngest goal scorer, youngest goal scorer. And then our mate, or your mate in particular, where's Danny Welbeck, puts Liverpool to the sword. Actually, funny enough, I put him in my fantasy team on Thursday. Packwood: All the drinking you've been doing and your body's rejecting water. Wizzard: the brace. Gary: for this very reason, because he just knew he was gonna score against us. Yeah? Yeah, but it's just, he scores goals, but the point is, and the reason we get to that, and I know we've said that, our quiz question for this week, and we'll throw it out now, we'll introduce it little bit in the middle as well, but then we'll give you the answers at the end. You wanna argue about it, you wanna fight about it, you have an opinion about it, chuck it in the comments. The question for this week. Packwood: Did ya? he hasn't been lighting it up recently. I know he's like... Not recently. ⁓ Wizzard: I'd audit that. Gary: Again, get-able, very get-able question. Name the top five oldest Premier League scorers. No particular order. We're not going to be that bad, are we? No particular order. Packwood: No. We'll give it the order at the end, but because it's surprising. Wizzard: And I just want to preface that my chat GBT had nothing to do with this question. Gary: Yeah, this has been fact checked. if Sal's in there, yeah, if Sal's in there or McKelvey's in there with the constant fact checking off these random websites that they go on, we fact check this, so it should be proper. ⁓ Packwood: No, this is a... This is Wiz Free. Think outside the box, there's two players there that I think would have stumped 90 % of people. Gary: Wellbeck's not one of them either is he? Packwood: Danny isn't no, he just sprung into our minds because he's a pensioner who's still banging them in against mediocre Gary: He's like Mick Jagger, a pensioner that's still banging him in. right, OK. You having that? ⁓ to this, you ready for this one for Seamless? ⁓ on the South Coast, we'll talk about Bournemouth Man United last Friday, first game. ⁓ yeah. You like that, don't you? Did you watch it? I watched This is the only game I watched this weekend, by the way, so you better me out today. Team effort. Packwood: They'll bang them in. Cut. Wizzard: Yeah, Friday afternoon I was I was deep into college basketball and beer, so you're going to take this one. Packwood: Take the floor. Yeah. Gary: think every American kind of, you know, you know, took themselves away from ⁓ sort of ⁓ related. Packwood: Take quick, watch the College of at Ganni? Gary: enjoy it, but I'm not going out of my way. I know a lot of people that will go out of their way to watch it. And if I'm in the pub, I do enjoy it when it's on, because it's just game after game after game, and that's what makes it fun. But it has to be like one of the, what's the word? It has to be like a perfect storm. I have to be in the pub and it has to be on. Packwood: Hmm. Wizzard: Let's just say there was some. Packwood: Hmm. Wizzard: Yeah. Yeah. Let's just say me and my friends were putting some pretty degenerate bets in. We were betting first to 10 points in the game, first to five points at one point. I had one, we took a team first to five and the other team hit two threes in the first minute. I go. Packwood: Gotcha. Wizzard: What? do mean? That was the first bed of the day. That's how we started off our Saturday. Packwood: I like it. I just have got no skin in the game. So, you know, when you run around like a dickhead like I often am, there's no there's no time carved out for it. But to your point, the perfect storms analogy, a good one. I'll watch it a little bit more as it ramps up. But like, yeah, I can't I don't know who they are. I don't know. I've got no skin in the game, you know. But the towns are bouncing like Hoboken's on fire. Wizzard: Yeah. Packwood: Like early doors, every day of week it's cooking and that's why Wiz looks like he's got two piss holes for eyes today because he's just committed to the cause. no, I distract you then. ⁓ man United Bournemouth, give us your take. Wizzard: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Gary: It was a good game in fairness. Man United took the lead twice. pegged them back twice. Ari Maguire got sent off, which I don't know, have you seen the foul? Like, like he's minimal contact if he's, if he's even touched him at all, but Evan Nielsen sold it well. And it's that, it's another one where it's gone to VAR and they've had a look at it and it's not been overturned because it's not clear obvious, but ⁓ soft is word. But Bournemouth give him, I'm telling you Bournemouth. Packwood: Mm. Mm. Gary: It's, you know, I had them, I was thinking about them as maybe nicking something off United there on Monday, on Friday, but they just couldn't. They pushed them a little bit. But United, they're rolling now. He's not. Packwood: Yeah. Is he getting enough credit for warm-up manager? I know people rate him. He is getting his top players fleeced every three months. Literally every three months. And then he's still ⁓ cheering results. And he'll have a dip where he changes the or gets new lads bedded in. But ⁓ how is still keeping that team up? Gary: I think he just has a buy in, doesn't he? probably got a method. He's probably got a method and he probably backs himself and it's proven because it's happened over the last couple of years. I think everybody in that club knows what's expected. So I don't think there's that much of a drop off. Like, all right, the quality of players might fluctuate a little bit, but ⁓ know what? What's to say that they brought the lad Ryan in? Well, Ryan, I'm not sure how you pronounce his name. They brought him in. Packwood: from the- Gary: What's to say he's not like Semenyo in two years, but he fits the bill. It's like when Brighton were churning out these players over and over again, same thing. It seems to be the same sort of model and seems to have the temperament for it. He doesn't get pissed off. He doesn't use as an excuse. He carries on. It's like, all right, he's gone. The club's another 40 million quid or whatever it is. And then, you know, we'll go and look for the next person and it's next Mano. Packwood: Hmm. Mm. Do reckon it's him ⁓ it's like, Bournemouth, and Brighton to have the idea now that is it the club or is it the coach? You know, that's like bringing these players in, keeping the consistency and when they're getting absolutely pillaged, ⁓ they're still a performance in the preppy league. I think, I don't know what the Brighton fella, yeah. I think it's more the With Bournemouth, I think it's him. I think it's him more than the club who's controlling it all and how no one's nicked him now with Chelsea and Tottenham and people cheering through managers like it's the &Ms. Gary: If you're him, if you're him though, like, I wouldn't, mean, the thing is if you're looking at Chelsea now and Tottenham, what they've done to the last couple of managers there, like, Graham Potter just got chewed up and spat out. I mean, this new, the new lad now, I mean, he can't be there much longer just on, you know. Packwood: Would you go near them? Nah. Yeah. Wizzard: I think when you look at those three teams, one thing that stands out to me that's common is it has to be their recruitment because they are doing a great job of finding these gems out of South America. You look at Brighton when they had Caicedo. They had McAllister as well, both from South America. You look at Brentford, they got this guy Tiago who's just banging in goals every single week. He gets his first call up to Brazil as well. What a fine there. Ryan, you just mentioned, he's Brazilian as well. Packwood: Hmm. Yeah. Wizzard: They must have some good... He doesn't look like it. No, mean... Yeah, no. I mean, he is like for a striker, mean, he's only 24 years old. Like, ⁓ great. I mean, they're going to be able to sell him at some point too. But like, ⁓ one thing when you look at these teams, they've just done a great job of recruiting South America and bringing these guys in. They're just great. The quality of the players is just... It's just so much talent. Packwood: Is Thiago Jungwiz? Is he a kid? I know his hairline's sprinting back. No, no. It doesn't make you a bad person. now. Yeah, looks like he's got nine kids. Gary: So I'm gonna do a massive name drop here for you, because I know you like that. know. I went to, a couple of years ago, I went to like, I don't know what you call them, like symposium or convention or whatever it was, small group of people. And Paul Barber was there. Now Paul Barber is the CEO of Brighton. And I asked him a question, like there was a room, I don't know, 100 people in a room. And I was like, I'll ask him a question here see what he says. And the question was like, can you talk about your recruiting, your scouting network? And he said, honestly, he goes, Packwood: Boss. Love that. Gary: We don't really have a massive scouting network because now the world is so small with you've got things like why scout and all the stuff you can watch stuff online. basically have parameters of players that they want and they pick up. basically go on these video websites and look up the analytics of all the games. So what they'll do is they'll have they'll have like based on the analytics that they want. They'll have 10 players on a list. and they'll narrow it down to three players and then they'll go to manager with three players and go, right, who do you want based on character traits and things like that? And that's what they do. Kind of, well, it's like Tony Bloom, like Tony Bloom's obviously there. He's gone to hearts. He's gone to hearts in the Scottish league. There's no coincidence why hearts are flying this season. I know they've got a good coach and they've got a good core of players in there anyway, but there's no reason, there's no coincidence as to why hearts are doing what they're doing this year. They have this mentality of Packwood: Moneyball's radio. Like... Yeah. Wizzard: He's a gambler, right? Former gambler. Gary: this is what we're going to do and they stick to it. And I think, I think you look at Brentford, Brentford have always had that when I think his name was ⁓ Warburton was there. He had that money ball mentality years before they even got in the prep. He went to Rangers on the back of that, but he was the same thing. And I think Bournemouth, I think Brentford and Brighton are more aligned that way than Bournemouth are to your point, mate. I think he is just got a hold of the club. I don't know if we were talking about this with the other day, like. Packwood: Hmm. Gary: Is there a place in football for someone to manage a club instead of these sporting directors and head coaches, which seems to be the way to go now? And all I see it is, and I'm gonna sound hypocritical here, it's lads who weren't good enough to be a footy manager and lads who weren't good enough to play footy are going in. Educated fellas who probably know analytics and everything else are going in a step above. Wizzard: Absolutely. Packwood: Hmm. Gary: and they're calling the shots and then they're bringing these head coaches in. It's happening at Liverpool, guaranteed. We've gone from... Wizzard: Well, it's big in American sports, like having that guy who's the, this guy's the decision maker with everything. And then it rolls up to him. And that's the model that they've had here. You have some where you have these legacy coaches, but even in the NFL now, it's kind of phasing out a little bit. You see guys like Belichick, they're retiring out. It is this system where it is a lot of analytics and it's one decision maker at all of these, you know, NFL teams, NBA as well. Gary: And if you look at the... Packwood: Hmm. Wizzard: I think it is that type of model and not only did he do that with hearts too, but I was just reading before, but he brought a Belgian club up from the second division and now they've qualified for the Champions League. Like, so he's done this in multiple countries with multiple teams. So no, three times, three teams. Gary: Yeah, USG. Packwood: Yeah, that's not a coincidence is it like? When you talk about like... Gary: thing is as well. Yeah, and with these head coaches, the problem you have with these head coaching the sporting directors, sporting directors will identify players and bring them in. But you have to have the right coach for it as well. Like bright and everything I said to you then about like identifying 10 players. They do the same thing with coaches. So Brighton will have a short list already of three coaches that they know straight away because it happens all the time. Whenever Brighton's coach leaves. It's not a long time before the next guy comes in, because they've already identified him. They know. I mean, they'll never tell you, but like at Brighton, they know three names off the list. If the guy moves on or he goes somewhere else, they'll go straight in on someone off that list, and then they'll get the next one in. Packwood: No, Yeah. Isn't more mad that all these like ⁓ dollar, billion dollar clubs don't work off that system? And then you see, like, remember Everton's recruitment for a manager ⁓ too long ago? We were basically like, cap in hand. Do you want to go? ⁓ you want to go? And it was like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm like, how do you not have it? Right. We all settle for a little bit. Let's keep an eye out for who might be available and who we like. But so many clubs just seem to like shit the bed ⁓ go to the bargain aisle. then it's like, did Spares have two there? backed up and ready in case it didn't work with Thomas Frank. don't think so. I don't know, obviously, but it's mad when you talk about the manager versus sporting director. ⁓ think it depends, but you look at two clubs that were struggling and are doing better, and I'm not just saying it because one of them's Everton, ⁓ but and Aston Villa, they've got two managers and you know they're not getting told who to buy. Like Mouys and Emery, they're going to be like, no, I'm all right, thanks. ⁓ Or they'll their foot down there. Their reputation is more important to the club, I think, than the other way around. So think there is a space for it. I think it's still seen as old school, but it's been deemed as effective. So yeah, I there's too much, I don't too many different structures coming in for the sake of structure, ⁓ you know, just get in who fits ⁓ the chemistry right depending on what your club needs. Gary: We'll look at Carrick at United and people will go, people will go, he's an interim, he's an interim in the stat. But how many times have you seen interims? Absolutely shite it. Packwood: Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah. And everyone gets a boost, right? Everyone's had a little boost every now and again. But this isn't a boost and the way the players are talking about them... Bless. God bless. Wizzard: It's ever spurs. you Gary: But that's it though, isn't it? Even the same like Ryan Mason went into Spurs once and they didn't get a boost. Carrick has, and listen, I know he's got Ferguson helping him out in the background, maybe, speculating on that one, but that's what I mean. But he's got, the players are all over him. Look at players like Casimiro. He was done. Scrappy, done. And now all of a sudden he's like, ⁓ I think so. Packwood: So what? Mm. Mm. It's that stuff that's more impressive. The fact that lads that were done are like, I think he's got to sit, Luke Short, Harry Maguire. Harry Maguire was not getting a sniff, all that stuff. That's fucking still mental. Wizzard: Luke Shaw. Kobe Maynard wasn't even playing. Gary: and that's the thing, though, as well. What What are United doing? I'd love to. I mean, if anyone listens, is anyone's mulligans now listening to this? What are United doing differently than they weren't doing before? Is it formation? Is it personnel? Is it just general warmth? Because Packwood: Formation. Yeah. Wizzard: formation, Fernandez is in more of attacking role where he is controlling all of their offense. Gary: Right. Packwood: Well, the formation dictates the person a little bit, so the formations forced him to pay. I'd say a bit of both, but the formation to me, as soon as he's gone back for 4-4-2, they like a different team. Is it 4-4-2? Is it 4-5-1? Wizzard: Depends. Gary: just a back four, just a back four in general just helps, doesn't it? just, yeah, I think there's a place for both, but like you look what's happened at Liverpool and it's not working. Like when it doesn't work, it doesn't work. I, you know, bang on about us because we're the second game. We got beat two one at Brighton this week. We've conceded more goals in the 90th minute and beyond of any team or any Liverpool team since Roy Hodgson was the manager, right? Which tells a lot because we were shite then as well. That was 10, 11. And this stat came out today that Packwood: Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah. Yeah. Gary: like based on running data last two seasons Liverpool have been near the bottom of the league when it comes to the amount of ground covered because again he's just not driving and not driving the standards or he's not the emphasis isn't on the running there's no there's no intensity and I'm not saying bring like someone I heard someone the other day say bring pep Lindas back let me tell you from someone who knows a bit pep Lindas is not the answer to that bring him till the end of season it's not gonna work but Packwood: Yeah. Gary: just players aren't I just don't think players are having him and I don't think anyone's ever gonna say it but I'm ⁓ having that he has control of that changing room not having it Packwood: not injuries anymore, it's not bedding in, it's just not working. And whole, at yours and there was a when you were terrified to play against Liverpool and there's a little bit of excuses, like Salah just fell off a cliff. know, Canate's getting targeted right and centre, you've lost Trent. ⁓ Losing Diaz as well, don't talk about that enough. Like he is a highlight in the Bundesliga and he just kind of, he left kind of under the radar, you know, and then, know, Jota, I like that. Gary: You can talk about all, yeah exactly. listen, all right, a player dying. A player, yeah. Packwood: They're big players though, they're big things happening and they're big like your best player going 10 and 33. You're the best player going 10 and 33. You're losing a lad, know, in a tragic circumstance, to dying. Yeah, and then you're... Yeah. Gary: but he's your most impactful sub. Wizzard: Any any presses too. That was the one thing I saw they were talking about on Monday night the other Monday night football. But they literally were talking about Diaz Nunez Jota the amount of press the magic pressures they would cause during a game and you see the guys out there at Katika Virts. They're not running the GAC. They're not running. Packwood: Yeah. Gary: We don't do that and it's not what Liverpool do now. you know what? We go a goal down. I mean, to be fair to Kerkes, it's a good goal. He's carried on his role and it's a good finish. ⁓ then, you know what? You just know it's coming. You know it's coming. Like I'm sat in a classroom on Saturday for me since. I the thought. Well, ⁓ I've you. Well, no. I'm actually to better. Trying to better myself. Packwood: Yeah. Wizzard: sneaky. Packwood: community service. No Gary: But like I'm, but like I get in the text message off you told like, and I'm just fuming anyway, cause I'm sat in this class for five hours and then yeah, and then you lot are going, but it's just, you waiting for it and you just wait to go on like foot mob and you tick you go. Yeah, it's too well, for sake. All right. Nice one. Pain the ass. Wizzard: Ribbit, ribbit. Packwood: But that's a big shift, isn't it? That's a big shift in expectations for that club, like you're saying as a fan. Yeah, that you'd expect, it? You're not the only one to feel that way. There's no fear factor with Liverpool anymore. It's just... ⁓ Gary: And I don't think it's a matter of time before he's gone. think they would have liked to have limped to the end of the season, but... Wizzard: Hmm. Packwood: You don't think you'll see the season out? Gary: Well, I mean, he probably will, but I'll tell you what, like, I wouldn't be surprised if he just pulled the plug and said, sack it and just get someone else in for three or four games. Wizzard: Speaking of speaking of ⁓ a pole. Packwood: Am I going to put you on the spot? Can you a pole up, Gary? Can you chuck a pole up? you? Yeah. Because that, that's someone said that to me the other day, but he's a more fiery character, Mr. Wiley. Tom said, get him out now and Alonso in to bed the players in when the season's just like. Gary: Does he last the end of the season? don't know if that's the answer either though. think that they just need, he's not the answer and they have to do it proper. ⁓ Wizzard: So speaking of limping though, Ekateke went down with a knock, right? I think he walked off in tears. But then I saw today he was with France. Packwood: Sorry where's the spoke over here. Gary: Well, it's different. It's weird in it like it might not might just be a little knock, whereas Salah seems to have he's properly injured. He's staying home. He's not going to Egypt and Alison's not going to Brazil. So it might just be that he wants to go and play. I mean, he's young as well still. So he might be able to get he might be able to respond to it a little bit more. France playing for anything. No. So you might just want to get out. I mean, to be fair, you might just want to get out of town for a bit. Let's face it. They can't can't go to Dubai now, can they? Let's be honest. So Wizzard: Yeah. Packwood: Hmm. Wizzard: At that was, I mean, no. Probably. Packwood: Yeah. Enough. Jesus. Wizzard: No, Newcastle canceled their trip to Dubai. Gary: They should have canceled. should be sat at home eating beans on toast after that performance at the weekend. Jesus. Packwood: Yeah? Wizzard: They should cancel the season. Do we want to talk about it? Actually, no. We gotta go honor the ev. No? Packwood: Where's, yeah, we're gonna, no, we're gonna transition. No, no, no, it's gonna, that's a nice little segue into you. Let's get all the negativity out the way and then just all the praise will be on me and it's just the way I like it. Fix the hair, warm up, stretch, take a bit of water and go into it. Wizzard: Yeah, mean, ⁓ did both of you guys get to watch it at all or not at all? I mean, from what I, mean, it's almost like I watched this. It's like Groundhog's Day. I watch the same thing every game. First 20 minutes, we are just pressing them like crazy. We, you know, nick a goal in the 10th minute there by our press. mean, shocking play, but by their center back there. But it's like, we're playing Sunderland. Gary: Anthony Gordon jinxed you. Packwood: Yep, yep, yep. Wizzard: Sunderland's got a goalie who's making his third ever Premier League start. They have a centre back who's making his second ever Premier League start. And we can only come up with one goal against a team like that. And that's embarrassing. And it's one of those things where watch it in the first 20 minutes, yeah, we're doing our thing. We're creating chances. ⁓ you just know if we don't get that second goal, it's just going to creep in at some point. And we get to halftime up 1-0. And don't know if Eddie Howe. gave him the night quill that he gave him in Barcelona where they gave him five goals in the second half there. It's like come out like they're sleepwalking and gets right on them, scores in the 55th minute and everyone the crowd just shits their pants. it's just, everyone just, no, we've seen this before. We know how this is going to end. And it's just exactly what we expected. Braby there, there, center forward, body Dan Byrne and Sven Botman the entire game. Sven Bauman actually left with a facial fracture in that game. That's pretty crazy. So then they bring in Malek Diao. And then the defense, the back four was just on that last goal. I don't know what Tino Livermento was thinking there, just leaving Braby wide open. But 90th goal, just ⁓ so Sunderland get the double against Newcastle this year. And it's just like, there's nothing to look forward to. I mean, we're in 12th in the league. We are out of both, actually both clubs and we're out of the Champions League. We've got Manchester United they're already talking personal details with Bruno Gamarra's. They've got Arsenal talking about Sandro Tonali. They've got Anthony Gordon talking about going wherever. It's like these guys with Monoma European football, they're all gonna start getting poached. And you see it with the other clubs and it's gonna happen in Newcastle. And that's just the reality of the situation and we fumbled. summer transfer window. You bring in guys like Ilanga, you bring guys like Voltamatta. ⁓ Eddie Howe's got Voltamatta playing midfield. This guy's a starting striker for Germany. And it's like, you heard the German coach, he came out and he goes, well, we never play him 30 yards away from ⁓ goal. And that's what's, he's not a midfield player. And guys are just running right past them. And we no energy in that second half. They were weak out there. They just got bodied by them. It's just depressing. And know what Sunderland deserved to win that game and you know, listen, they're they're they're flying, you know, they're having the season of their lives. They're fans. They deserve it. know, but what an awful, awful performance by Newcastle. So depressing. You come off of that seven to loss at Barcelona and you think, OK, we go win a derby game. That's three wins in the league in a row. Momentum's going where you're not that far off from the top five, top six. And it's just nope. Sorry. But you know what's nice? We get three weeks away from that team. So rant over. Gary: That is a nice thing. You know what's funny though? And we've been saying this all season is that if you put if you could still put a run together, I honestly think European places are going to go down to eighth or ninth this year. Because you figure the champion or at least eighth, at least eight, because you figure Champions League for the top five and then Europa League place because of the League Cup. Because those two are going to get in the Champions League. So there's another Europa League place goes down. Packwood: You Yeah. Wizzard: Also, if Aston Villa wins the Europa League, they'll be in the Champions League. Absolutely. Packwood: And I think they've got a genuine chance of doing that. Gary: So I mean, and right now, Yeah, exactly right now. Therefore, but if they win it and they finish fourth, it doesn't matter if Villa finished sixth and win it. Wizzard: crazy because like Villa's, you know, they played great against West Ham, but they haven't been looking great. But it's like Chelsea, Liverpool, it's like, does any of these teams even want this? It's like. ⁓ Gary: the amount of that there's been missed opportunities across the board this year. And last week, if Liverpool, was it last week when we got beat by someone again? Wolves maybe? There was a game where, no, no, what was the game? Can't remember what it was. But we would if we'd have won, we'd have gone third or no, we'd have gone fourth and we'd have been clear a villa. Now. Packwood: usually. Wizzard: I mean, yeah. Packwood: Was it forest? Wizzard: Was it when you drew against Spurs? Gary: know, it was the spurs game, yeah? So when we drew against Spurs, if we'd have got that, we'd have been... I'm sorry, I mean, listen, at this point, PTSD is going to kick in at end of the season. But like, at this point, we'd have been third. Now we are five points off Villa. And Chelsea, I mean, Chelsea, if you're Chelsea fan, you're kicking yourself as well, because they've shat it. But my point is Newcastle are only four points off eighth. Packwood: That was it. Yeah, yeah. Wizzard: Sorry to bring that back up. Packwood: Yeah. Gary: So if Newcastle could just put a run together, I'm telling you Bournemouth all the way down, you've, nobody. Packwood: That's mental. That's mental. Wizzard: We got Crystal Palace in Bournemouth, I think, coming back. Gary: I say the only teams, Palace have got a game and if they win their game and they go to 42, I don't think anybody in this league is done. I don't think anyone in this league, even after 31 games is done yet. Like you know, like usually you have like the mid table teams now they're halfway on the beach, they're halfway on the golf course. I don't think there is, like, cause you've got 13th and up have got a chance if they could just put a run of games together, they can get themselves into Europe. Packwood: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gary: the I mean, can't lose three nil in a relegation six pointer because if they don't want it really would have been if they don't want me to go on to 33. Packwood: Yeah. Did you watch that? 100 % on the manager. 100 % on the manager. fans there was so much ⁓ like of them doing the flares and doing like things, you know, they put the cups of tea down, they leave the prawn sandwiches and they're actually like getting out there and behind the and it sounded unreal. Even before the game, all the commentators, I was watching on Sky, they were like, this stadium, we haven't heard like this for ages. Gary: No, I was working Sunday. Is it? Packwood: When they came out the gates flying, that tell lad, that looked dangerous. he was gunning for them on the left and he was ⁓ ripping out of the right back. Who's the right back there? Bromby? No, Bromby. No, no, for, for, sorry. I've got in my head. Yeah. ⁓ Don't say twice. Usually, but he put them on his ass at one point. Literally like in basketball, he like put them on his ass. And so they were flying. Wizzard: They had chances. expense. ⁓ Ola, Olayna, I think is his name. He's good though. mean, yeah. Yeah. Packwood: and was chance after chance with Jarvis and set one across the box, a Solan... Yep. But he looked like they were getting opportunities. Then he takes off van der Ven Spence and changes the system to a back three. And they just looked like... I that the change in their intensity and buying from the players ⁓ was immediate and so drastic. ⁓ I they just said, fuck him. If he does this, we're out. And then he made another... He just kept making the change after change after change. Wizzard: ⁓ Matralis missed so many headers. Yeah. Packwood: The Archie Gray in the midfield to start off with unbelievable way he was spraying around midfield. He looked class and the engine on him, ⁓ was everywhere. It was funny to see he was like putting pressure on the back four, then he was getting the ball from his off to his centre-arse back and it was, they looked different. And Forest just, don't know, I think there was a certain point ⁓ where you at their back three and they were so disjointed and there was so much space in between them. I don't think Forrest even played that well. And Joe's gonna get all sassy about it, that's alright. massive, massive. And the momentum you can get from that going away to Tottenham, the fans, the way they're gonna talk about themselves in the media and on their own social platforms, all that stuff. That's the shit that is just oxygen right now. You need those things. But Tottenham, I 100 % put it down to the manager. 100%. It was insane changes. Wizzard: That's a big win for them though, big win. Gary: talk about games coming up as well. Spurs have got Sunderland away, Brighton at home. Wolves away, Villa away, Leeds at home, Chelsea away. And then they got the, and then they got the EF. Then they got the EF last game of the season. Wizzard: Wolves of Ways has been one of the toughest places to play. Packwood: Yeah, can't sit. Yeah, that's not friendly. Gary: West Ham have got leads at all, Wolves at all, Palace away, Everton at all, Brentford away, they've got Arsenal, Newcastle, and then they've got Leeds. But the problem is, no, that's the thing, you can talk about it, can't we? You can talk about it all we want, but there's no easy games. Packwood: I mean there's no easy games, there? was just... Wizzard: especially when the pressure starts mounting too. Packwood: Yeah, I think they're done now. think they're Tottenham. There's no, I can't, yeah. I just can't see where that any life is coming from that squad. That start in 11 was really, really good. Like good players and they were playing good football. But if they stick with him, the only way they can get out of this, I think if they make, have the balls to switch him out. Gary: So at this point, ew. Wizzard: Spurs. Gary: I just I don't know. Yeah, I just I listened to Danny Murphy today talking about it. And obviously Danny Murphy played for Spurs and he's like in my head, I in my head. I can't see them going just because of the club and the players and everything else. But if you look at the product on the pitch, you like what is going on like the other one, you know, the last time they won was this. I'm sure it's December the 28th. They won. They haven't won a game. Yeah. Packwood: Yeah. That's it. It's... yeah. There it is. They haven't won this year. Gary: the other one since December 28th and even then it was a thing. was a one niller, but who goes who goes now international break seven games left who goes Forest Tottenham or West Ham. Packwood: I think Totten. If they don't make a change, Totten. If they make a change, West Ham. Wizzard: I think Tottenham as well. Packwood: think Forrest are starting to... You look at Forrest's team and they've got such a good spine. Like got a good... ⁓ Yeah. Yeah. Wizzard: Anderson's been awesome. Gibbs White's been playing well. They've got that Igor Tiago who's been some goals too. Gary: They've got a Europe still. Packwood: Yeah, yeah. Gary: Are they going to push in Europe? They got Porto in the next round in Europe. Is that going to take their mind off it? Packwood: I don't... I hope not, right? They've got any sense, they just let that die, right? But they look more got a good keeper, the two centre-halves are good, the same ⁓ centre-halves that got them to fourth and third last year. It a lot more stable of a start and 11 than when previous managers were chopping a change all the time. It looks like the forest line-up, the performance ⁓ of ⁓ year. Wood got goal in the reserves, so they might have him for the last six games. He's been out since October, so ⁓ getting him back be, which is mad thing to say. He sees it's dependent on fucking Chris Wood. said that three years ago, he would even laugh. But yeah, I think they'll be alright but Spurs, bad. Bad. You just switch your mouth for though? Do you want a dice here? Do you want part of it? Bit of Pulis? Gary: Yeah, it's tough time. Seven games though? Like, what's someone gonna do with seven games? Packwood: But just don't be him. Yeah, just not him. Wizzard: Anyone, just anyone but him. Gary: Well, I mean, listen, you've got how long they got two weeks, three weeks. When's the next game? Let's have a look. Next game is the 12th of April. Packwood: Yeah, how many games is Caracas? How many games is Caracas? Gary: He's had... He's had what, 10? 9, 10? Packwood: Alright, imagine if someone came in and did 50 % of that. Gary: but but but Carrick, but Carrick maybe but Carrick's man United played there knows it was a winner there. Who are you going to get? Are you read now? Packwood: Yeah. Tim, Tim Sherwood. would get Harry Redknapp. Harry I'd keep them up. And then the movie would come out, we'd all watch it. Wizzard: the documentary would be. Gary: I'll see ya. Packwood: Jamie Redden up there on the bench. But yeah, we'll see. Wizzard: They'd have him taking off his suit at the ⁓ horse race just... Gary: It might look a lot different, in a couple of weeks we might be a different conversation about, okay, what can this new manager do in seven games? Like, just don't lose, like that's it is, don't fucking lose, like they've got to go to Sunderland and, you know, they've got to try and get something out of that on the 12th of April, just go there and don't lose, a point, just get a point. If they get seven, this is the mad thing, if they get seven points they stay up. Packwood: It's... Just don't be shit. Yeah. Gary: by the skin of the teeth. Seven draws or five draws and a win and a loss. There you go. Something like that. But that's it. But it's true. It's actually eight points that. But still like it's it's that's the sort of thing, isn't it? It just needs to be something. But yeah, who knows what the hell is going to change? All right, listen, Fulham Burnley, three one. Harry Wilson, right? Are you convinced that Harry Wilson is not going to is going to sign a contract? Packwood: For Canal. See you in school, Matts guy. You Yeah. Yeah, barely I think if Silber Stacy stays. Wizzard: Yeah. Gary: Interesting, interesting, all right. Packwood: Yeah, I think if they piece up. Wizzard: I think for some of these guys, they want to get the playing time. And if he goes to a really big club, like he's going to like, he's going to be battling for spots. If he goes to Liverpool, he's going to be battling guys there. If he goes to Manchester United even like, I don't even know where he'd go. That would be better than. Packwood: Yeah, yeah. Where's he gonna go? He's not going to play. He's at a really solid club and it's okay to be the best player at your level. I see him doing job. And the lad has been around for a while and hasn't had this ⁓ run. it's don't drink your own Kool-Aid and just enjoy, be a at this club where you're playing really well and the manager backs you up. Gary: And also you wouldn't want to go to another club at the moment would you? Because Chelsea seem like they're up the wall. Spurs are an obvious nightmare. Liverpool, who knows what's going on? And would you even want to go back to Liverpool? you know, you could see him at an Everton, but does he really want to go to Everton? I don't know. Packwood: Fuck Chelsea. Yeah. What do you get into the start in 11? Gary: Yeah, it's a good question though, isn't it really? If you've got the winks. Well, no, it's true though, it really, Ait Ebertin? Wizzard: We love him in Newcastle. Our right wing is our right wing situations in a shit show. Packwood: He'd be great in Newcastle. I'd love to have him, but I'm also conscious of the price tag and all that shit. But like, he's at a really good Premier League club with a really good Premier League manager and you're playing out your skin and everyone loves you. If someone comes in and offs you, know, fuck you money, then think about it. But are you going to go to anyone who's substantially better than where you are now? Like ever and that much better than Fulham. Gary: Yeah, true. Very true. Yeah, no, it's true. All right then, speaking of which... Chelsea. Packwood: You know. But you know, we are better then. We are better then. We're well better than fucking Chelsea. Gary: Go on then. Go on then. Wizzard: What a game. Packwood: Just, just brilliant. it's, I think I don't think I've given enough credit. I'm not gonna do, I'm not gonna give us a ton of credit now either. I think Chelsea were absolutely shit. I think we've got some really good players going forward that are getting into a groove and die. not putting better in that category, even though the finish for his first goal was class. But got a lot of players peeking. Jimmy Garner is playing out of his skin in midfield. Dwight McNeil is playing really, really well, cutting in on the left, sorry, on the right, in to the left. Di looks brilliant, hasn't missed a beat since he's come back from AFK. And think he could kind of put, you know, anyone up front at the minute. And if they've got ⁓ a level of fitness with the supply they've got coming in from ⁓ great into the box and then through balls flying at you. Lads that are to hustle like Ghana, that second He just literally stole the ball off Chelsea lad that wasn't asked, ran down, laid it up. The Beto had to have that ball at his feet and give a crap shot, but it was just hit with power. ⁓ Sanchez a nightmare, again, their keeper just, he's in the But yeah, they give us ton of space in midfield. Duesby Hall is fantastic. I hope to God we keep him. I think if anyone's going to get nicked from us this year, it's him. Don't think Branthwaite's played enough for anyone to come sniff around again. But he's just, he's just class. Him and Jimmy Garner playing together. Just when you see players that just get each other's game. It's them lads. So yeah, the midfield is brilliant. We're playing Michael Keane at the back and keeping clean sheets. That's a reflection on the team we're playing against if they can't score. And we've got, you know, Mickey at the back. But vibes are high and the way... I was more pleased with how people were saying the stadium was. was like the first time they said it really was the best game in the stadium so far. The atmosphere, way they prepped, getting some legends in, Jacubo and Cahill were in the stands. think those things are very orchestrated strategic and ⁓ are for games of that nature. But yeah, huge win for us. We look like we're feeling it. I we're really feeling ourselves at the minute. and getting lads back from AFK on an injury at the right time and Jack Grealish who, you know, are we going to pay 34 million for him now when we've got McMessie on the right? I know. But yeah, everyone Dewsbury Hall alone and I'll be I still think we need a striker. I think better about the good game. was again, good finish sound, but him and Ndi, Dewsbury and Ndi, people are starting to sniff and ⁓ we're not a club that kind of easily replace those calibre players. That's when I'd be like, Harry Wilson, all's forgiven. Come here, meet this boss over here. on. Sorry what I said on the pod. Gary: Yeah, I know. You need a forward, don't you? That was screaming for a forward. Packwood: Yeah, the two lads, we've got a sound, but they're just not the answer and they don't match the quality that's behind them and the service they've got coming in. Beto, know, Beto's going to give it a good game every now and then, but he was just given so much fucking space. So much space. I've never known a... You rarely see a striker when the ball's played in. It wasn't a creative or sneaky pass. Ghana had one person ⁓ pass to and the two centre-arcs had one person to mark. They knew, everyone knew where the ball was going. And it looked like he'd have to pass it in a way where he'd be pushed too far away from the goal to get a decent shot. And it wasn't a decent shot, but he shouldn't have got it off in the first place, but he stepped off him so much. then the keeper had an absolute howler, yeah. Wizzard: Sanchez is a ticking time bomb out there. He had one where I thought he almost caught thought he almost caught the ball in the goal like ⁓ there like it could have been more than three nil there and and and that second that second goal from Beto right between the five hole right between his legs I some had some had some Packwood: Yeah, yeah. No, off, internet's ⁓ the meter, wizard. Gary: he's gone. He's gonna be... ⁓ Wizzard: What's going on? you got to be kidding me. Am I back? Packwood: Your internet? Yes, yes, yeah. You're blary, but you're bach, yeah. Go on, you're saying Beto's boss, what were you saying? Gary: You're gonna crash out again. You are back. Wizzard: In my back. Jesus, No, I was saying like he had some serious power on that shot, that was pretty, Sanchez has to save that. Yeah. Packwood: Right Adam, right Adam. And like I said, wasn't like it was a, know, it didn't tear anyone apart. There was only one way it could go. It only going to one player. So you had lots of time as a Premier League goalkeeper to set yourself up. But they're aren't they? Like, Chelsea, they're just ⁓ mental. Gary: Like we're frustrating to watch, but they must be, but they're just, I mean, if you're Chelsea fan or a Liverpool fan. Packwood: I... ugh. Wizzard: And then you have to hear from the great philosopher after. Packwood: that, get that ⁓ out the club. ⁓ Gary: just, ⁓ need... ⁓ leave him there, mate, and just let him, let him self-explode. might have any time to talk about anything else here, you know, because we were already at 45 minutes. I'm telling you. I'm gonna, I'm just gonna throw that... I know we don't, yeah, but we are, we are on a time crunch though, but before we get to the last little bit, we're gonna talk a little bit about the international teams and this, that and the other, but... ⁓ Packwood: Was that interesting to you to say? Wizzard: Well, we don't have to make picks though. We don't have to make picks though. Packwood: ⁓ yeah. Gary: question again, no one's popped into the chart yet. Everyone's bottled it. Name the five oldest Premier League goal scorers. If anyone fancies chipping in. Packwood: It's your art, that's what it is. Yeah. Gary: It obviously is too hard for people, all these self confessed trivia experts. Alright then, so. Packwood: Yeah. Wizzard: And if you don't comment, us, hit us on, you know, when we post this on Monday night footy pod on Instagram, jump in the comments, throw your answers in there. Gary: Yeah, firing comments, exactly, jump in the comments. All right, okay, just before we wrap up, do you wanna talk about the internationals? You've got like an Irish themed top on anyway, like I wouldn't have known that was an Everton top, but would you, would you have, what are you thinking? Is there any chance here? Mm. Packwood: Yeah. Yeah. Fralend, I don't win. Gary: The who've they got? Czechia? Then who? If they win, then what? Packwood: Yeah, check and rub it off here. That's it. ⁓ fuck, it's an actual thing, isn't it? Please hold. Gary: Mmm. I think they've got a beast, you know. I think if they win they're at home. I know, I think if they win they're at home in the final. But I'm not sure who they've got. Packwood: Still win Thursday. Gary: Let's have a look. Packwood: Czech Republic Thursday. Gary: Czech Republic on Thursday. Did you see that tickets? Tickets going for 116 grand. Honest to God, yeah. saw that. Madness. Packwood: What? So I can't see what they've got next. Gary: Don't if it says it. All right, let's have a look. UEFA fixtures. Okay, okay, yeah, so if Ireland, if Ireland win, they get Denmark or Macedonia at home on Tuesday. Denmark, Denmark are good. Packwood: Go ahead. Macedonia. Easy. That's why I said Macedonia. Wizzard: Yeah, but I think Schmeichel, I think Schmeichel's out though. Goalie. Casper. Gary: but they've still got like all the they did. I mean, Scotland turned them over. you know, Denmark are a good side, but you just need to win. It's it's going to be hard to go to check. Yeah. Win Czech Republic and win a game. But you never know. Do you? It'd be brilliant. Wouldn't it? Like I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical about this World Cup anyway, but Ireland having Scotland in it already because I just did money around it. And it's just a Packwood: That'll be good. Tough game. Harvey class. Bye. Gary: It's an absolute money grab all over the place and too many corporate people have got tickets and it's going to be, I think it's going to be a pain in the ass, but I'm going to watch it on the telly and enjoy it. Like. Wizzard: football would be great. Packwood: I think it's cool that it's here. I think it's cool that it's here. think, yeah, you're right, it's ⁓ they're cancelling good stuff, like they cancelled ⁓ fan park and stuff like that. That's the stuff, which is disappointing. But no, I think it's going to be class. think Ireland have got that little vibe about them at the minute. And it's not just because of, you know, ⁓ I want to get beaten when I get home. ⁓ But got a cup competition, cup Like they're sold out of jerseys in Ireland, you can't get jerseys, like the suckers, footy jerseys, you can't get them. the them, the lads are feeling it and they've just got that kind of, I don't know, FA Cup slash, ⁓ you tenacity about them. They just won't go away. And it be brilliant. It adds to experience if they made it. We made it, Denmark's sound, you know. We made it Ireland, boss, let's go, you know. Wizzard: Yeah. Gary: That's it. Well, Wales are saying Wales have got someone. They've got Bosnia at home, and then if they win, they get Italy or Northern Ireland. Wizzard: Harry Wilson. Packwood: Let's just don't just don't ask Greece to make a prediction. Otherwise, it'll take them. God bless them. Gary: but yeah, no, he did put in on Friday, because we put it out late. He actually text me after the results of my United and he said, draw. So we gave it to him. We gave it to him. But you've got to, yeah, we've got to do a bit of charity every now and again. Packwood: Hmm. Wizzard: Yeah, you gotta gotta give them in one thing Packwood: ⁓ Yeah, sympathy ones. But no. Yeah, fingers crossed for the Islands of Wales and all that good stuff, as they would for us. ⁓ the England squad that was announced, what the... Like, he's out on Trent, right? He skipped him over. There's loads of press about it. Then ⁓ there's a replacement and he's brought Ben White. Now, that to me is like... It's just for the attention alone that it'll bring. Just pick him. Don't play him. Just put him on the bench. some... Everyone's like, oh, he skipped him because he doesn't like him or something's happened and there was that stupid thing I said to you guys where there's like this AI story that he's gone out with his missus or something. But... But I think he's just... It's a very... It's a weird move. I know Thomas Tugler doesn't give a shit and he's like... He sticks to his guns, which I like about him. But this is an odd move. Gary: Mm. Wizzard: ⁓ I saw that, yep. Gary: Mm. Packwood: You need Ben White. You need Livermento, who's been shite recently. Wizzard: Who has him, who's barely played. I mean, he's been out for the last few months, like... Packwood: Yeah and then... So who's starting? Who's starting right back? then? He wants to reach James who's injured and you sneeze on him and he does and he gets into it again. I hope he's fit, I he's class but it's... We used to... He's fucking not. above Nico Reilly. Wizzard: Lewis Hall is starting to laugh, I'll tell you that much. I think, yeah, mean, Nico could also play in the midfield. Packwood: chance. but he won't get in the midfield. So we were playing left back. But no, I think the right back situation's gone. We had Kieran Chirpier, Kyle Walker and Rhys James last time. now we've got Rhys James, Livermento and Ben fucking White. How many minutes has Ben White played for Arsenal this year? Wizzard: Good to have options. Benny Blanco. Gary: have no idea on that one. Wizzard: He did play in the FA Cup or the League Cup final. Packwood: League one, yeah. Alex should be good if he did an international one. Alex, because his team, West Brom, was so depressingly crap. put a lot of his focus into England, ⁓ it'd be good to get his two cents on him. Gary: Yep, it's it. Wizzard: Well, we had a couple of our guys get called up. Jimmy Garner got the call up. Packwood: Yeah, class, he's not gonna go. They're gonna take him. That too snarky. he best not fucking take Ellie Anderson ⁓ what's that Chris the Pops lad? Watson? Not Watson. Wharton. You can't take them two. They're the same fucking player. Gary: Wharton. Wizzard: He's going to take Anderson 100%. Packwood: Yeah, Anderson I'd take all day, it's Declan Rice and who, isn't it? And so in that space, you can't have too much of the same player. So I'd love Jimmy Garner to go, I think he's class, I just don't think it's too late to get a call up, but he deserves it, which I like. Gary: Mm-hmm. Wizzard: Similar with Harvey Barnes too, he got the call up with the as a injury. Packwood: Is he playing that well? See you later. Gary: Yeah, I don't know. Wizzard: He put, listen, he's been banging in a bunch of goals. That's about it. But he's definitely been, yeah. Packwood: Very stacked position. Gary: All right, I've had enough talk about England. I can't be bothered to talk about England, international football. Packwood: haha Wizzard: Well, did we want to talk about the League Cup final? Because I thought that was pretty interesting. Gary: I mean, can. Packwood: The game sounds, it's more the effect on it's going to have on the if it's going have an effect on the league. Like, is that now going to ruffle ⁓ very ruffleable feathers? Wizzard: Well, it was interesting because Gary: I think that's too far gone. I think it's done. Wizzard: They've got a game in hand though, don't they? One of the things... Gary: How many games have Arsenal lost this season? Packwood: I know Liverpool's lost 10. Gary: All right, so if you look at it that way, right? Yeah, you know, we've lost double. Listen again. Okay, Arsenal's lost three games all season. They're nine points clear. Even if they lose three games, they'll still be there. Like they're not going to lose three gate like percentages alone. They're going to have to have an absolute meltdown for them not to. Packwood: Well... Wizzard: I think they're gonna lose that game at City. Gary: But even that, even if they lose that, does that put them at? There's still four points clear. Four points clear, three points clear. Maybe. Wizzard: That pressure though, that pressure though. Packwood: Wait, so if they lose at City, they're only four points clear. Gary: So City, oh no, there'll be three points. So City got a game and on, so they'll go to 64. If they win against Arsenal, they'll go to 67 and Arsenal will be still where they are at 70. But so there'll be three points behind them, which yeah, maybe, but I just don't think so. I can't see it. Packwood: I think... Wizzard: They set up pretty interesting though. They kind of have like a wall of like four players up front and it was just in front of the midfielders and they basically just stopped, you know, hey, we're going to put this on your defenders to make these passes. And they basically blocked every pass coming into the midfield. Gabrielle and Saliba just had to launch it down and you know, the center backs for City and O'Reilly and these guys, they're winning every single ball. Gary: I can't see it. Wizzard: And then I think I heard an interesting quote Pep told Nico O'Reilly's like, hey, Zubyamendi is going to be, he's going to be marking you in the box. You're, you know, so much taller and bigger than him. You have to win every single header in there. And what are your guys thoughts though about teams play their backup goalies? Now I can understand City. Trafford's been in every single, played every single game. ⁓ if you're Arsenal, if you, yes, but if you're Arsenal though, you haven't been in elite, you've been in a cup final in what, five years? Packwood: They've done that though, they've Wasn't the same with Arsenal though. Didn't they do the same thing? Wizzard: six years and you're going to risk the first one playing your backup goalie? Like why would you not have Riot in there? Packwood: That's common there. Yeah, I get it, but it's very common for that to happen. If you've got someone who's got you there, you tend to stick with them. It's a bit sly to like pull them last minute. Merker! Wizzard: Fuck that, I want a trophy. No, I'm serious though. And listen, that first goal, drops it and O'Reilly heads it right in. That's a mistake by the goalie. Packwood: Kepp has lost his last five, last five finals. Gary: It's documented as well. it's documented as well that like just winning the League Cup gives you a little bit of a boost going to the last games of season. You've got a trophy. You know what it feels like. Yeah. And it gives you it gives you a little bit of an edge. But yeah, I don't I don't know. But it's Man City's. They're the first name on a trophy this season. we want to go the answers before we bop off? Do you want to go the answers to this question? All right. Okay. Go on with other pop other pop. See if you can memorize what we talked about before. Wizzard: Newcastle. Packwood: Mm. Yeah. Where's, you've seen the answers, see if you can have a part. Wizzard: Yeah, because some people, some people. ⁓ no, no, no. sharing him. ⁓ James Milner. ⁓ my god, there was some guy, I'm gonna butch this, was there like a Dan Wizardoo or something like that? Packwood: I've been... easy. Gary: Okay? Okay. He could be, could be. Damn, damn wizard do. Packwood: Yeah, Dan Wizzidoo, also known as Dean Windass. Wizzard: haha Dean Windos was right there. Basically the same name. ⁓ man. It's not Danny Welbeck. know that. Come on guys. I was not prepared for this. Packwood: Good yeah, yeah Gary: Nah, it's not. Packwood: No. I've been drinking for seven days. Gary: All right, I'll save ya, I'll save ya. Terry Sheringham, James Milner, Dean Windass, Thiago Silva, and Ashley Young. It's not a bad list that, you know, to be fair. I wouldn't have even. Wizzard: ⁓ should have known Tiago Silva, the beast. Packwood: The Dane Windassai would have never have got Tiago Silva, I wouldn't have got, I think the other three, other than Danny Wizdo, would have had a good go. But no, you wouldn't really know those two as scorers. I'll give you that Wiz. Wizzard: Dan Whiz do. Gary: it's all right. But by the time we're back next week, hopefully you've sobered up. But to be fair, yeah, bit of a detox, but then the basketball's on this weekend as well. Packwood: Get some sleep, Get some fucking... Wizzard: A detox, a little detox will sleep. Yeah, UConn, UConn Sweet 16 Friday night, so. Gary: Alright, well we'll see, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it lads. Alright, thanks very much for tuning in guys and mulligans. Cheers, we appreciate the time. Stick us on the tellies and we will see you next week. Don't go anywhere. Packwood: Nice one, the firm. See you lads. Peace. Gary: Look at that little thing, I love that. It does, doesn't it, in the snow, it's lovely. Wizzard: That's great.