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speaker-1: Welcome back to another episode of Pro Tri News. This is Talbot, the host this week. Hope you guys enjoyed an incredible weekend of racing. ⁓ Mark and Pat, you guys tuned in from afar. Kyle and I were both there, boots on the ground. Mark, how was your weekend?

speaker-2: Yeah, really nice to be home. Kind of relaxed, not too much going on. Kat's back in training, but it's just nice to be home. know, Australia is lovely, New Zealand is lovely, the weather here is terrible, but it's home, so all good.

speaker-1: Yeah. Pat, how many hours you put on the bike this weekend?

speaker-0: did a few hours on the bike this weekend, ⁓ you know, but honestly the highlight of my weekend was ⁓ George, my little guy, he learned how to ride a bike on Saturday night. So that was the big exciting news for our family over the weekend.

speaker-1: That is awesome.

speaker-2: What sort of teaching do you go with? Do you just put them on push them in or what's there? Is it the gentle or the more aggressive approach?

speaker-0: He just he was on a strider forever and so he just kind of was I mean he finally had become like strong enough to actually hold his bike and then he just said he's like I Want to ride my bike and I'm like, all right, man And then he's like, okay We got to hold on to me the whole time and I'm like, all right And you know, I just would kind of hold him from the seat My hamstrings are completely blown from bending over but then you know I would just let go and he wouldn't even know I was letting go and he's just actually can pedal. then he's like, you still holding on? And I'm like, I'll be there if you need me. But that was it. Then he realized he was doing it.

speaker-2: Somewhere in between, the sensible approach. Sorry. Yeah, exactly.

speaker-1: Kyle, what'd you get up to this weekend? A little busy? Yeah, I was in Oceanside. It was super fun. Started the weekend. We flew in super late on Thursday and then jumped right into a group run that Precision and Wynn kind of collabed on and got to hang out with some of the Foley Athletic kids and ⁓ basically be almost like a liaison for Foley Athletics for Trevor and Sophie since they were not there. So it was really good. Amazing race. I always have so much fun going to Oceanside because it's like, like you say, it's the North American kickoff. But the racing is always just like so intense and always comes down to the last lap, which is always super exciting. Yeah. What about you? Do you have fun? Yeah, I had a blast. I've really tried to be more efficient this year and everything I do. And one thing I've really wanted to take seriously here was taking the actual day of rest. And so to go all the way to California, watch a race, shoot a race, come all the way back home, a full Sunday. And then it's like, you still feel like you had your whole weekend, turn off the phone, throw the door and just hang out with the fam. And then you had both of that in one weekend is pretty wild, but there's a big, massive weekend racing. Some would even say the greatest 70.3 of all time. What'd you say that Pat?

speaker-0: I still like Geelong better. I'm standing by.

speaker-2: Are you s-

speaker-1: Really? ⁓ I pick South Africa over Geelong for the greatest of all time, but...

speaker-2: No, even close. ⁓ yeah, but this one cannot compare to Jirol.

speaker-1: I don't know. I feel like this was a lot deeper than Geelong though.

speaker-0: Here's what I know. There were some that said 20 meters is gonna make this sport boring. We've done three races so far and they have all three been anything but boring. These three opening weekends we've had have just been showstoppers.

speaker-2: Well, I'm on record for saying that it will make the men's race will be just as exciting, but the women's race will get more boring. I said that last year and I'm pretty happy to stand by that at the moment.

speaker-1: I agree with you on that. We can hit on that a little bit later on because it is very true when you do look at the women's race. It is very spread out, but God, it makes for an exciting men's race right now. I think when we start to see a deeper, more ⁓ stacked field, guess, I mean, I don't know how you get deeper than this field, but we'll start off with the ladies first. Absolute, I want to say master class of a day for Taylor Nib. But she began to either falter on the run or just kind of was like, I don't really care. Taylor Nibb ⁓ took away the win with the time of 4.01, shattered her course record. So also shattered the bike course record. Solveg Losseth surprised me. Fastest run split of the day. ⁓ Came off the bike four minutes down from ⁓ Taylor Nibb. Ended up finishing right around two minutes down. And then I'm going to butcher this Audrey Merle. Merle. Third place, Ironman 70.3 debut. Fantastic racing. mean, only to jump in a field like this, this stacked. Phenomenal day. But yeah, the woman kind of started off. Victoria Lopez, if everyone is tuning in, podium picks, I think that she had definitely the most favored for fastest out of the water. Was first out of the water. A lot of people got points, got really excited, but then we had a little falter in our system. But a DNF does not count as points. So that went away. And then it was Hernandez-Tome was fastest swim. Lauren, is that her name? Laura. Laura Hernandez. Yeah, she swam at University of Florida and was the fastest swimmer at Ironman Arizona last year. Florida or Vanderbilt? Florida. I must been researching the wrong girl then. ⁓ But yeah, and then Taylor really just went to work on the bike. I mean, what were y'all's thoughts when you were watching on the broadcast?

speaker-0: Do know why they got rid of the speed limit?

speaker-2: it wasn't

speaker-1: Kyle, Kyle hit on this. This is a pretty big deal. don't remember if they ever told us why they got rid of it. New roads. It was new roads. If you don't know historically, there's a speed limit at this race. There's been countless athletes. Daniela Ryf has been disqualified from this race from going through the speed limit. What they do is they put a timing mat at the very top of the hill and timing mat at the very bottom of the hill. The reason they do this is they have had not one, but multiple deaths, unfortunately, at this because it is on a very high point. Athletes go get too much speed going down. ⁓ The road has been updated and it's not, I don't know for the amateurs if it's removed, but I do know for the pros that it was removed and it's now turned to a no pass zone. So that has been removed from the course. So yeah, maybe help the bike time about 10 more seconds, but there is a lot more new roads on this course. Yeah. There some people in a hot takes that were like, improved it by two minutes because that's why Sam got the record. It's like, it's not that much of a...

speaker-2: I think it must have been a fast conditions day, like really low air pressure or something because they were just shattered. The sports come on a bit, but everything was just, it was a bit like Texas last year on the bike course. Yeah, no wind or tailwind picked up, really low air pressure because the times are just so much faster.

speaker-0: tailwind day

speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah, it was a really fast.

speaker-2: Taylor was dominant. I'm going to cover one of our hot takes based off something that Talbot just said there. I think Solvee is falling victim to a bit of what Kat used to get, that she doesn't look like a runner in the tiny little, you know, African style runners aesthetic and people are surprised she's running that fast. She ran a 2.45 on debut at Ironman in Hamburg. She ran a 2.45 in Lake Placid. She ran a 1.15 in Venice last year. She's run a 115 high here. Sorry, 114 high here now. I mean, I'm not remotely surprised. I had her as the fastest runner. She's one of the best runners in the sport. I just think that's why people are surprised. I'm not bothered by it. think, can we just put it this way? She is one of the very best runners in the sport at both distances. I thought, I was surprised that she didn't swim that well. She gave herself a bit too much work to do there on the bike. ⁓ she held her own on the bike fairly well on a course like that. It's going to be hard to match Taylor. You know, she's never raced there. Taylor has it's hilly. Taylor's good at that. So she lost it. would say moderate amount of time. I didn't think it was a domination session from Taylor on the bike, but then Taylor race seven days before and flew home from that. So what's take away from it? I'm not that sure.

speaker-1: I was a little bit shocked because ⁓ Solve and Sif came out of the water together, so I thought that they were actually going to bridge some time and make up a lot of time and stuff, and they didn't. ⁓ I did talk to McCall, Eden, her coach, ⁓ and he said going into the race that she had a great run workout. And so he's not really surprised with her having, ⁓ which was a PB run for her in a 70.3.

speaker-2: Yes, like PB. In new shoes I noticed as well, the new On shoes due to come out. They are not to the public yet, but they are firmly on the list. So that was interesting to see. And I noticed Christian didn't use them. So clearly they've got some choices there. And then you've got yellow that still runs in another pair. So On seems to have three shoes on the go at the moment that some of the best are using, which is interesting. Taylor, they've, Taylor things, right? But she did look tired at end of the bike, but I would be as well after the week she'd had.

speaker-1: Yeah, exactly. And then, yeah, got on the run. I was quite surprised to see Grace Deck not run through but also to, after racing last weekend, should we be surprised?

speaker-2: Christian is making us think that they should be able to do this. No, she races these days now. Of course she shouldn't be able to. She should have been worse than that. think we've just become used to this kind of crazy notion that, yeah, well, she only raced last weekend.

speaker-1: I mean, beat some good 70.3 athletes out of one races. She beat Jackie Herring. She beat Marta Sanchez. She beat Kirsten Kasper who have all won 70.3s recently.

speaker-2: I think it shows she's in unbelievably good form, really. What do we think Paula? Do we know why she did it?

speaker-1: of

speaker-0: They just said it on the broadcast. They just said injury, but they didn't. don't want to, don't, Kyle and Talbot, have, you they probably saw her in person, but that was maybe something that they don't, she doesn't want publicly shared. I have no idea.

speaker-1: Yeah, it's unfortunate because I mean, Paula is just such a lovable human and everyone just loves her so much to support her. I think that she's probably really just scratching her head. I don't want to speak for her. don't know if she was... It's kind like if you read her Instagram post, she says that she's done this before where she doesn't feel ready for a race, but she's able to tough it out and do good. So she wanted to do that in here. The unfortunate side is this will be three DNFs in a row, which is just a bummer. It'd be 70.3 Worlds, Qatar, and now here. so if there's anyone that can rally after something like that, I believe it is Paula. So I just think a good spring block of training and she'll be ready to go. Yeah. And going into the race, was a little bit tough just because it seemed like Paula was off maybe at the pro panel. so it was, yeah, I don't know if it was pre-race nerves or what's going on, but there's probably also a lot of stress going on since Eric just had ⁓ a major surgery. And so, ⁓ yeah, I mean, I'm sure Paula is going to bounce back. She's one of the best 70.3 athletes of all time. And I know that she's been eyeing to do an Iron Man. So we'll see when she bounces back when she's ready to go. So other than that on the female side of the race, Gracek ends up coming in fourth, and then Jackie Herring comes in and grabs the fifth place spot. any other notable standouts from there?

speaker-2: Well, the thing there for Jackie Herring is, you know, she doesn't want this to be one of her pro series scores. She lost 14 minutes at a 70.3 to Taylor. So she needs to scratch that off as a pro series scorer. I loved her post. It's almost a bit depressing racing when Taylor's here. Over 80 minutes down, but she's got two more scores to get 70.3, that?

speaker-1: on Jackie it was pretty fun. I don't know if it was funny, but at the finish line we were all sitting there talking, me, Kenny, with Ro and Jackie and she's like, it's so annoying racing with Taylor. I had a good race and she just decimates us. And I was like, yeah, it's almost like the kid in the class that raises her hand and they're like, weren't we supposed to turn in homework and just ruins it for the whole class?

speaker-2: It was only Solvee that was even close. She was six minutes ahead of third place.

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speaker-2: Anyway, come on, men's, men's, men's, was explosive, it was exciting. ⁓

speaker-1: absolute phenomenal race. ⁓ think from the gun, a lot of us, ⁓ first off, just being there race week as well. ⁓ Got to give a shout out. It's Kyle, I have Boone a butcher. Is it Connie or Corinne that does the MCing? for the Colleen Colleen. I would say the best pre-race press conference I have ever seen. Like, it's a shame that Ironman doesn't live stream these. I mean, there was so much banter between Sam Long, Casper Stornes, Solveig Lasse, Paul Finley. I mean, it was, mean, everyone was like laughing their heads off the entire time, which is set up for an unbelievable race. Christian said on there here, I think.

speaker-3: It

speaker-1: Christian said on that panel, he said, I think there's a German walking around here who wasn't invited to this press conference that's definitely going to have something to say about that on come race day. And dang, he was right because from the gun, Jonas Schomburg, I mean, he's going to be was very quiet last year, did a few races last year, kind of came onto the scene. I mean, this is going to be a guy that is going to battle for the rest of the year, potentially. definitely will win a world title one year, I think. mean, once he continues to figure it out, comes out of the water. Mark Dubrik though, first out of the water. Jonas quick on his heels. Traditionally, the swim here, this was one of the slowest swims we've seen in a while, actually four minutes slower than the course record held by Andy Potts. But why it's interesting is we were chatting to Casper after the race and Casper said that like, He was sitting P4 on the swim and just doing backstroke being like, guys, are we not going to push the pace? Like what's going on here? And someone would think, well, then just go around and go to the front. And he's like, it's not my job. don't need to push this swim. don't need this swim. But he's like, if we're wanting to these guys back off the back of the group, then we need to push it. But he said that it was, he was just literally like on a recovery swim. So I thought that was kind of funny. Mark Dubrik first out of the water though. And then Two minutes down, Sam Long. So everyone is right there. Traditionally though, in this race, this is where Lionel Sanders and all of them are usually only two minutes down. Mark, what is that? Is it the salt water, the wetsuit, the combo?

speaker-2: I don't know whether the current as well, think if you're swimming into a current, like the crunch points of the race makes it a little bit easier to stay on. Saltwater and wetsuit buoyancy, cold water, maybe, I'm not sure why that would make a difference. But you you look at the swim Cam Wurf had here, there's definitely something about, and I also think it's the size of the field. You know, you've got 70 guys all early season. It's only a half, it's wetsuit, it's salty, et cetera. Like there's just more feet for you to get on. But yeah, I agree. It was really bunched up. Mark Dubrik basically has to get out of the water first because it's his card to play. It's like the relevance point of the race for him. It's what gets him on camera. It's what gets him talked about. So I don't know why I put Schomburg down for my fastest swim, but I just thought he would try and do what he did in Roth and drill through.

speaker-1: Yeah. You got to wonder too, with podium picks on our website and people selecting... Just a thought. Would love to get you all's opinion. Do you think that you're going to see some athletes that push the front because they want to prove that they're one of the better summers and want that podium pick? Or are we bit delusional thinking that?

speaker-2: I think if there's money on the line, if we could properly gamble on it, then you would see a bit of that, wouldn't you? People betting on themselves heavy and then just lay it. What was his name that used to own Sailfish that had the fastest swim? Jan Simason. When he was just basically laying in transition in Kona after breaking the record, I think he had a 22-minute T1. If you saw a day where a pro does that because they want the top pick, we know we've made it.

speaker-1: Yon Silverston That's right. Oh, they went to work on the bike and this is the first... I hate to say the true test, 20 meters. saw it in New Zealand. You saw it in Geelong. But I mean, we saw an extremely deep stacked field at 20 meters. And I told Kyle, I'm never going to complain about drafting again. I mean, this is mono a mono, guys pushing the pace. coming around, yelling at each other, all that. ⁓ We finally got to see it in full swing and it was awesome. Thoughts on that? We were sitting at the hill and before you got there Talbot and the guys were starting coming by and people were screaming at each other because you had guys coming on the outside trying to blitz up the hill and try and I guess break up the group as quickly as they can. ⁓ It's really tough to do on that course for the first, I don't know, 20k. ⁓ But there was dudes trying to do that and getting pretty upset about it. I will say Lisa Becaris was on the hill and she was pretty awesome because she's like yelling out splits to everyone, being super encouraging. ⁓ we're like all screaming. I like turned it into fan mode rather than like actual helpful mode, which usually I'm giving splits. And all the Norwegians, they're yelling, they're like, split, split. And Lisa's like up the road, she's like yelling at everyone, they're split, like within like five seconds. So shout out to Lisa for doing that. But yeah, everyone was on the hill, they were going for it from the gun. And that's kind of where Jonas made his move to kind of get away.

speaker-2: The only thing is that you just boys are obsessed with Oceanside. We saw Hayden Wild drop Pieler-Geens and Christian Blumenfeld in Geelong because it was 20 metres. We saw Pieler-Court dip out the race because he had had so much time put into him. I just think we've seen it and we know it works. think one takeaway though, I agree with you though, is a much better demonstration because of the 70 metres. One takeaway is if you're not in two loops, is if you're a guy and you run a one 17 half marathon off bike, keep your mouth shut. Like just get around the bike. Don't make a big song and dance out of it. You're not in the race. You ain't featuring in the top 10. Just keep your mouth shut. Don't make a big drama scene because you know, someone cut in in front of you. Just come on bro. Like I just thought there was so much gesticulating going on from pros that then lost 15 minutes on the run. You're like, save some energy mate. Keep your arms on your bars, shut your mouth and get to the run and try and run a 1.12 so that you're at least within six minutes of KB. I think that that race just attracts the most because it's early, everyone wants to their name on the board. They've all done a hard winter. They're all ready to show off. There's 70 pros. There's a load of nonsense pros there as well. It's always this. Even the women's a couple of years ago when Kat was in it, they were shouting at each other. It's just the Oceanside vibe, I reckon.

speaker-1: Yeah, I think so. think, I don't know, I think that they need to start limiting these pro series races for the men to like 50. 70 and 80 is like a bit much for these pro series men. And they're like, they're getting into the back of the or the front of the women's race and it's, it's affecting the women's race, TBH. ⁓ I'm not having it. I'm not having that anymore. They're 20 meters. They're not affecting it at all. Like it's, I don't think so.

speaker-2: Yeah but once they're there what are they doing there? You're not a-

speaker-1: If they're getting into the race, the woman are traveling to speed that they are dropping them and leaving them behind. they should. I would say part of it doesn't matter.

speaker-2: Well, you're not a pro.

speaker-0: There is that there is a tough look in the mirror. mean, I think there was some, mean, there were some men that were coming out when the front women were coming out of the swim. Correct? I mean, so it starts there. I, I think, I mean, look in a perfect world for me, there would be some sort of, if I was Ironman, I'd be doing some sort of observation now around, just use our world. Let's just use our, ⁓ ORS as a benchmark and say, maybe there is a place where they could somehow cut it and say, Hey, we're going to just do 500 global pros or whatever that number is. And then start to think about it. But I do think that there's a world where they could tighten that up, but it's not, it's not this year. It's probably not next year, but it's something that could be on their long-term forecasting and saying, Hey, how many pros do we actually want in this sport? But I don't think we're there yet.

speaker-2: I disagree on whose responsibility it is because World Triathlon is still the world governing body of triathlon, right? And they now have T100 under it. They've got challenge races under it. So they almost have the majority of long distance races now. They then offset that responsibility to national governing bodies to come up with all their own policies. Why not World Triathlon have a one single policy? Why are you letting Chile decide who can be a pro from Chile? and America separately and Germany and they all have different standards. It's almost unfair.

speaker-1: Yeah. I heard USA Triathlon's rewriting the criteria for being a pro triathlete. So for long course, yeah. So there might be a lot of people that don't have a pro license come next year. Hopefully. They got moving on the bike and I would say that it was very unfortunate we didn't get to see the likes of Magnus Dittleb in the race. ⁓ I mean, this is some Uber bikers right here. You got Giannis Schomburg who

speaker-0: for long course.

speaker-1: pre-race as Mark alluded to, riding away from Sam Laidlow and Sam Long. And they went at it at a course record that has held for nearly a decade, Lionel Sanders, that was like 204. And they obliterated it by two minutes. Yeah, it might've been fast day, but I think Sam and Jonas would both tell you that they rode and they knew with 20 meters that they were getting away. Christian was beginning to falter. rightfully so with an Ironman in his legs, a 70.3 in his legs the week prior. I mean, came down and the funny thing was Christian said that it was so crazy out there in the bike course that he thought it was only Jonas off the front. He didn't realize that Sam Laidlow, sorry, Sam Laidlow, Sam Long was up there up the road as well. So when he was getting two minutes off the bike to the front, he looked at Ben Knuten said to who? And he said, Sam, and he said, Sam Appleton.

speaker-2: Cut!

speaker-1: he didn't know that Sam Long had already came by. So I thought that was pretty funny. they hit the run. ⁓ Those boys had two minutes off the bike. Some phenomenal bike times. They all get running though. then ⁓ the likes of Jason West comes in. They're all like, everyone's just staggered into transition. that's why I love, yeah, there was a few groups. But everyone, mean, after a full 56 miles, everyone's kind of solo coming into transition and I kind of love it.

speaker-0: I mean, yeah, there's nothing for me. I think this has been great and surprise of the weekend for me. ⁓ Hello, Jason West back in the game. So I just think this is it. Do we throw him in the Matt Hansen ring that like 20 meters actually suits him? I mean, where did this come from?

speaker-1: I don't think I don't I I think Jason West would have been on the podium at 12 meters

speaker-2: I don't. I think what's changed is the way they ride now that suits a different style of riding. So it's much more of a solid sustained effort like we talked about when you asked me what would change with coaching. Whereas when it's a group of the front swimmers and the power riders, they would blitz those 450 watts, 100 watt attacks, see if they could get away, sit up, which is much more like a classic style of riding, which suits a heavier, more aggressive, stronger bike rider. obviously not a runner. When it's actually just a much more steady state effort solo, it probably saps the runner's legs a little bit less in a way so that the likes of Matt Hanson and Jason West don't have to try and follow a 500 watt surge from Ditlev. They're just riding their own pace, possibly.

speaker-1: Jason West in 2023, four minutes down off the bike. He's right around almost six minutes in this race. Yes, given granted, it is faster.

speaker-2: Yeah, what was the winner's time?

speaker-1: It was Sam Long 206.

speaker-2: Yes, so what was Jason West's time because he was four minutes down and six minutes time, but that's just down What was his actual bike time? I bet he was Both between 23 and 26. I bet he was faster this year, even if he had more. Yeah

speaker-1: Here or then? Yeah, I've already clicked away from the screen. But yeah, it'll be interesting because I believe Jason West is going to Texas as well. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, like you said, like you said, Pat, another athlete to be on the lookout for. mean, he's clearly went home and worked on his bike. ⁓ But also too, at the end of the run, he kind of faltered a little bit on that. So he was bringing back time like crazy that first half. I mean, he was he was flying and was having the fastest run split even with KB running like that.

speaker-2: Just to round it out, Jason West road four minutes faster this year at 20 meters than he did in 2023 at 12 meters. 12 meters, yeah. So he's riding faster. Everyone's riding better. I think it just suits them with less of this yo-yo nonsense.

speaker-1: club haters. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Can we talk a little bit about... So the last lap of the run, Christian... That's when Christian brought the... Pretty much brought the race to Jonas and Sam Long, who had been duking it out. ⁓ In the end, Jonas only 24 seconds behind ⁓ Christian Blumenfeld. So probably the closest battle KB's had at the 70.3 distance from like last weekend to this weekend. Christian said, I mean Talbot, correct me if I'm wrong, but Christian said that this race was harder than Geelong. Whenever we had lunch with them.

speaker-2: No shit, man. Yeah. It was a wait list. Yeah.

speaker-1: Okay. I mean, definitely, definitely. He was surprised how hard he had to work on the run, think. I mean, get the likes of, mean, Jonas is just proving to be one of the best in the world as well. And Sam Long, Sam's race, 38 70.3s. I mean, crazy. His average time. across those is basically 111 on it the last four years. So Sam ran a 111. You're going to have to improve that now. Sam's record on the run is a 109 from Gdynia back in the day from 2022. like you're going to have to improve that now. Sam wanted to be on that podium. Casper caught him past the end. Or I guess we should Christian caught both of them and Surge passed them. I think Jonas tried to go with him a little bit faltered, blew Sam's legs off so much that Casper ended up catching him running down to finish shoot and turned around and said, no, no, no, in the finish shoot. And I was like, ⁓ dude, these derregions, they're insane. bike for show, run for dough.

speaker-2: Yes, still the same. You run for dough and KB is showing that. Maybe if you're Taylor, you can bike for dough, but she's running really well at the moment. So I'm not sure it matters either way. I think we have an exciting Texas coming up from this, right? Because we have Jela who is last weekend, third, second, ran magnificently well. Then you have most of the Oceanside fields going to be there. And then on top of the people we've already seen perform, we throw in We Dettlaff, throw in Langer, we throw in all these people.

speaker-1: Martin Van Riel, Vincent Louie.

speaker-2: Yeah, go on, Pap.

speaker-0: This was my takeaway from the whole weekend, both in the men and the women's race, is that everyone has taken such a different path to Texas that our preview show becomes very challenging because everyone's got something else. I mean, you mentioned somebody like a Patrick Lange or a Magnus Ditlev that have done no racing. You've got KB that's done a bunch of racing. You have, you know, somebody, other people that have just done Oceanside. And so it's very tough to forecast where that leaves them for Texas, right?

speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. And it is going to be a barn burner of an event. A couple more housekeeping notes on Texas, or Oceanside that I do want to mention was being on the ground there, Ironman's done a phenomenal job. Also too, needs to be noted, Justin Reale's big crash. I'm not sure if you saw the video on our website, but the Ironman bike mechanic there on the ground. to pull over right away, be there on the scene, call for SAG support and all that. Ironman is doing a hell of a job on trying to improve. And I think that we are going to see the fruits of that labor in Texas. Don't want to hit on it too much, but Texas is going to be insane. I think it's just a testament to the team that Scott's building. I'm not going to sit here and sing their praises all podcast long because I could, but ⁓ Scott knows how to put on events and knows how to increase the athlete experience, which is something that have been two top of his list, I'm sure, over the last year and half, two years. And in my opinion, it's working.

speaker-2: I'm just looking at some of the notes. How much of the road was resurfaced at Oceanside?

speaker-1: Not enough, because the amount of people whose bars came loose or bolts came... People needed to have Gorilla Tape all over their bike, because there were still areas that were very, very rough. Like Brock Howell, he was just sitting there in his aero bars, and then the aero bars just completely...

speaker-2: It's just crap bike maintenance. It's bad preparation and bad bike maintenance. It's all that is. Because I guarantee it's not rougher than like New Zealand.

speaker-1: No. No way. It's rougher than this. Yeah. No, not that. Not either. You know what? ⁓ You just brought up a good point, Mark, because I wanted to get your opinion on this. Casper was right behind Justin Reale when he crashed really hard. And I'm like, I feel bad for Justin. But Casper is like, ⁓ he made a big mistake. It sounds bad. But basically, if you watch the video that we posted, there's the cones. And they're in the far left side because there's coming traffic.

speaker-2: What's about a Swansea? on

speaker-1: Justin had his tire blow out. And Casper said he was looking down, he watched up, because he heard it and he looked up real quick. And Justin, true incredible athlete, right away, what he wanted to do was get off the course and get out of all the athletes' way, because it was a very tight think. So instead of just slowing down in front, he wanted to get out of the athletes' way. And that's what caused the crash, because he tried to go. he tried to jet in between the cones and he turned and that's what made him go over and smack the ground. And so it kills me because a true athlete, like he wanted to not affect the race and be in people's way, but also is what resulted in his crash. so it just, ⁓

speaker-2: I think I can't blame him for like the decision. I'll tell you, it's super rare nowadays. It's not like Lance following that rider, Blocky or someone, when he had this horrendous blowout and the tyre just goes instantly flat. It's really rare you get an instant flat nowadays. I mean, it's super rare, let alone at a high speed on a highway. Even a small cut, it just deflates a bit and you can ride the rim. He got super unlucky.

speaker-1: at all.

speaker-2: Because of that, how do you know how you react? I ⁓ feel really sorry for him because he's obviously packed in his job, a successful job. Starts his first year as a full-time pro to really try and make it and crashes and he's in hospital. It's like, ⁓

speaker-1: So what advice would you have for amateur athletes and stuff? Just unfortunately stay on course but begin to slowly keep your wheel straight, I guess.

speaker-2: think the main thing is people often crash because they rush and if you're watching the YouTube they rush to come out the TT bars. Like same as when they hit a pothole and it's something I've shouted at Kat for years like when you hit a rough patch you're probably safest to stay in the TT bars for a period because it's when you rush to grab out you catch your arm on a bottle on the edge of the thing and your balance is off because you've only got one hand on the bar. So assess the situation with your hands still in the bars. And then the only thing you can do is sit up and just gradually roll it in a straight line. Don't make any sudden turns. Don't pull the brakes hard and just feather the brakes in until you come to a stop. That's what you'll see pro cyclists do. They won't jam it on and try and get off. You basically have to almost not break and just ride out in a straight line. That would be my advice. But mainly, stay in the cars until you know what's going on.

speaker-1: Yeah, it's such a bummer that what him trying to be get out of his competitors way is probably what resulted in his crash.

speaker-2: I thought he was taking it like a proper champ. video of him on He's pretty damn calm about the whole thing. He's clearly had a real hard hit and he's quite, I he comes across really quite tough in that to be honest.

speaker-1: Yeah. totally. All right. Are we ready to land the plane on Oceanside? I think we should give out shout out to the first week at a podium picks absolute unbelievable turnout of people that we were just talking on the pod before we started. We actually thought that we knew Triathlon. It turns out I don't even know if on this show we should ever give podium picks advice ever again.

speaker-2: the best one of us managed was like, wasn't it 135th or something?

speaker-1: Something like that, yeah.

speaker-2: I don't know who was top of ours though actually.

speaker-1: ⁓ it was... It was Mark. It was Mark.

speaker-2: I hadn't noticed actually, ⁓ that's good news.

speaker-1: Mark's the best and I'm the worst. Surprise, surprise.

speaker-2: We were all Who won?

speaker-1: Mark had 103 points. Panos Georgiades? 128.

speaker-2: I mean, what they? Greece? Up to Andrew Lewis second. And we also had a, we had a trial run with about 400 people on it the week before, which he won. And then he's got second this time. That's quite impressive. And then he got third is just because your name is Black Mamba legend.

speaker-1: like that maybe yeah Kobe Bryant. Mark got 103 points, Kyle, so let's be clear on that. 128 was the winner. This is a season-long narrative, also Panos is now leading the season leaderboards, which the next race of that iteration will be Ironman Texas, so look for podium picks coming up then. You can win up to $1,000 if you win the season-long narrative, but rounds out.

speaker-3: You

speaker-2: Hang on. 1,750 people played in our very first week.

speaker-1: Our was a thousand and then our goal was 1200 and then yeah, we got a lot of people Wow

speaker-2: That's super cool. Well done boys.

speaker-1: It's almost as many people as listen to the podcast. We've gotten some feedback though on you should be able to see other people's picks for and I'm sitting right there thinking, I'm like, guys, what is the point? You just got to copy. You should make your own picks. Yeah, I don't agree with that. So maybe we could throw up some odds for people. Like what are the odds based on historical data that this athlete will win?

speaker-2: Now I wa- With that.

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speaker-0: That is for the math.

speaker-2: Yeah, can we call it with 33.3?

speaker-1: Yeah, it's a-

speaker-2: You can't be, there's no such thing as three lots of 35 out of 100. Just. We'll end up on slow Twitch, which is the only reason I say that someone will moan about our math. So we do understand that. Don't worry.

speaker-1: Sorry, 30 % go to race times. Which is different from the PTOs, which is 40, 30, 30. So 40 position, 30 strength of field, 30 for time.

speaker-2: I think, let me just... Can I just defend it? The top two at the moment are joined exactly the same score. Christian Blumenthal and Hayden Wilde. Based over the last 12 months, I reckon if you ask people to pick publicly, it would be very close to 50-50 who thinks who is best. They both have unbelievable seasons behind them. Third is Jelle Geens, 70.3 world champion, won the T100 race. Fourth is Caspar Stornes, won the Ironman world champs. Meek and Noo consistently second across 200 races, Martin Van Riel. Look at the ranking. It clearly is very close to the money on what I would perceive to be an expected outcome. The main justification. If we'd had something mental in there, like, don't know, Josh Ferris, I've just picked a random name in 50th, was winning. We could all sit back and go, ⁓ maybe we're wrong.

speaker-1: I mean, not to throw shade at the PTO ranking, but they have Christian Blumenfeld in seventh position. I'm sorry, but Christian Blumenfeld's not the seventh best draft late in the world.

speaker-2: or not.

speaker-1: And can we look at the female side of the ranking? Nearly 1.2 points separates Kat Matthews, Taylor Nibb, and Solveig Lawseth, and nearly Lucy Charles as well. I mean...

speaker-2: Yeah, I think the biggest criticism will come is what we did is we have a standalone race as in the best race in the world is in its own tier. And that's the Ironman World Champs. That's the difference. There is only one diamond tier is the top tier race for us. And that's the Ironman World Champs. And that's quite simply because if you ask every single pro triathlete, long distance athlete in the world, which race would you most like to win without a hesitation, they will all say Kona or the Ironman World Champs. It is bigger. and it is more important than anything else in the world, it's not fair on that race to put it in a category with like the T100 Grand Final or 70.3 Worlds or Roth. It's just so much bigger. And Pat could even explain from the monetary side, bonuses, how much more is it worth as a percentage than anything else?

speaker-0: It's just massive. It's just absolutely massive. It's, yeah, it's, look, I think that our, open rank that we really hammered and that the four of us that say, mean, I'd say a fair bit heated on how we were gonna break it down, right? And the thing is, is that we pressure tested this ranking system.

speaker-1: multiple ways.

speaker-0: And we had other people audit it too that were beating up, beating us up over this. So I think that when you actually just have the ranking now as it is, like you said, Mark, you just go and ask people, who's the best male triathlete in the world? It's a 50-50 split between KB and Hayden. Okay. They're tied for first right now. Like we can't make that up. I mean, this is it. for me, I'm so I'm so proud of what Talbot and his brother worked on and I'm so excited to talk about this and the, obviously the reception that we got that Talbot and Kyle got from everybody in person in Oceanside, that the market was looking for something like this as well.

speaker-1: Yeah

speaker-2: I pushed... Sorry, go on, Ty. You go first, mate. It's yours.

speaker-1: No, no, no, no, I was going to hit on points, so you just go for it.

speaker-2: So I pushed for the standalone Kona to be in its own tier and that went through. But I also pushed that 70.3 Pro Series scores shouldn't be in the same tier as T100 races. And you guys pushed back on me there and we got some feedback that they should be, especially the way it's turning. And then I've watched the first two 70.3 Pro Series races where you've had... KB, Jelle and Hayden duke it out and then you've had Taylor and Solvee on one side duke it out and you've had all the Norwegians and that duke it out. And I think the argument is sort of paying out that the two series though they may have more races on the Ironman side, they are considered very, very equal by the athletes at the moment and we've had unbelievable turnouts to all. So I think that was something Taubert was totally right on, especially as cat number one.

speaker-0: And then there's the support that Mark, this is when the strength of field comes in and supports that. Right. So if you have the nuance of look, we've got an insanely packed men's race coming at T 100 Singapore. It's going to, that's going to help the ranking, right? Where if you've got a softer 70.3 somewhere else, you're not going to have the same strength of field score. So the points are going to be down. I think natural, the natural selection of what the athletes choose to, of where they choose to go and race, that's going to help the points and it will make, as the season goes on, it will make a lot more sense for the viewers.

speaker-2: One anomaly from that will be Matt Hauser has terrible points and he won't drag the soft score up though he's racing Singapore. So that's a bit of a, that's an anomaly, but what no system can cover that because he hasn't proven himself over the distance. But there you go.

speaker-1: And a lot of people think that we're just because these races are on the same tier does not mean really a whole lot. Because if you look at the way that we've skewed the results, it's on more who you race versus being the tier of the race. So a perfect example is we got a lot of flack, but how could Geelong and T100 Gold Coast be on the same tier? Geelong had a way weaker strength of field for the woman. So here's a perfect example. The starting points for the tier in Geelong was 75 and in Gold Coast for the T100 race, it was 82, which completely swings because then if you were to have the pro series down for Oceanside, here's the difference. In Oceanside, Oceanside was a way more competitive race, whether you like it or not on the women's side. So it was 86 for the woman versus 82. in Gold Coast. So don't get caught up on the tiers of the race. Get caught up on who shows up to the race. And if you race a strong field and you win in a strong field, that's what you're rewarded for. If that makes sense. Agreed. So a lot of people thought it should just be money. It should be based on money. How can you compare a $275,000 to a $50,000 event, but we just found that sometimes athletes go where they want to go and where they want to race and chase different point systems and all that. So for us to base it on money was essentially biased that you could just buy high score races.

speaker-2: And the public have no idea how much money is being earned to a race. Like many, many athletes will get way more bonuses for winning an Ironman than they will a T100 race, even if the field is stronger, even if everything else is stronger. The athlete knows how much money they're earning at certain races based on the bonuses and what they're racing for and then their long-term season plan of what series they're competing in and stuff like that. Like just looking at prize money alone. Roth would never have been a big race, but it's one of the biggest races in the calendar year in, year out for the reason that we don't know how much money athletes earn there. So you can't base it just off the publicised prize money.

speaker-1: Yeah. So our biggest thing on this is we have a lot of people might think that this is bias. We have no skin in the game. ⁓ We're not paying anyone out. This is purely community based. We built the first iteration. We will stand by this iteration for the remainder of the year. What we would like is if you have feedback on this, we are going to sit down and look at this annually. And you don't have say in Ironman's ranking system. You don't have a say in T100s. You don't have a say in PTOs. You totally do have a say because we want to be a community. So if you go to our forum on our website, and you go to the ranking systems in the open rank, and you have ideas throughout the entire year, post them in the forum on that, we will visit every single one of these. And if we're going to make an iteration, it will be back through the community's feedback. This thing will continue to evolve to what we believe is a community is the best ranking system. So we have a one-stop shop to see who the best athlete in the world is. And it's just for fun. There's also on our website, you can see all the different other ranking systems like the Pro Series, the World Triathlon, T100. Also a fun one is earnings ranking system. So like right now, Pierre Lacour has earned the most money of the year $19,500. And then for the woman, with Taylor doing T100 Gold Coast $57,500, which Taylor did note. Talbot, I don't like this. And I said, why? And she said, it's not true because in Gold Coast Australia, they took 20 % of my prize purse off the top. Why? Because of taxes? Yeah. It's like, is gross, Taylor. Chill out. This is just for fun. Jeez Louise.

speaker-2: It's just taxed.

speaker-1: Another cool thing Talbot added was ⁓ the rookie ranking. So essentially that's if you're racing in your first two years as a professional long course ranking, it's ranked based on your open ranking score. So right now it's Cameron Maine, which head and shoulders above everyone else had a fantastic season last year. But it's basically if it's your first two years racing as a professional athlete, we have a rookie ranking on here. Sorry, that should be noted. This is long course only. So Georgia Taylor Brown is a seasoned vet, but she did her first ever long distance race in Bahrain in 2024. So this will be rookie rankings. Yeah, so she's leading the rookie ranking.

speaker-2: Then in second Lena Meisner and in third Taylor Spivey. Some rookies those.

speaker-1: Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, like I said, this is all feedback we could throw out. We could throw that out. We could just have it do their first professional race in the last two years. Y'all want to do that?

speaker-2: Yeah, I think it's first professional race.

speaker-1: All right. This is what we're going do. We'll make a thing in the forum and let people... Like I said, this is all community-based. So if you want us to throw that out, we'll make a chat. Everyone reply in there. And then we can just do first professional race. And we can also do the same thing with World Triathlon points as well. This is just numbers and the way we display them. We want to throw that out. Let's throw it out. Georgia Taylor Brown. She ain't no rookie. First hot take. Last week, I said if... I'm a pretty big nerd, but there's a lot more bigger triathlon nerds. Talking about Grace's X nine podiums at a single venue and the king of the nerds, the smartest man in triathlon, tri-ranking Thorsten messaged me and said, Cam Brown, Ironman New Zealand, 20 podiums. Joe Lon, Ironman New Zealand, 11 podiums. Paula Newby Frazier, Ironman World Championship, 11 podiums. Ronnie Schlichty, Ironman New Zealand, nine. Mark Allen, nine at Ironman World Champs. Andy Potts at Oceanside, nine. And Dave Scott at Ironman World Championship, nine. So there's definitely more than just Grace Zek, but I thought that that was an interesting stat. didn't know, for some reason, obviously Ironman World Championship counts for you getting as many podiums as you have there. And Paul Nubie-Fraser and... Yeah, you called Cam Brown.

speaker-2: Do one, mate. Come on. Don't be a nerd. Get it right.

speaker-1: But I do apologize to Ronnie because I know he listens to this podcast. I forgot how many times you've dominated at Ironman Switzerland.

speaker-2: and he's good on the bears running as well.

speaker-1: Yeah, he's pretty good at the bars. Pretty good at the bars. ⁓ T100 dropping the season-long contract and splitting the men's and the women's to separate days is good for the sport. Did we cover this last week? Yeah, that's last week.

speaker-2: Yeah, you've got last week's How's a Wind Singapore hot take? Not sure it's a hot take, it's a prediction. We've got a few of those. ⁓

speaker-1: Yes. I don't think so. Hayden's proved he's very dominant at the 100k distance. Is it public that Houser's on the 200 start list? Yeah. Yeah, it was added this weekend.

speaker-2: Well, I could see him winning it. Like I'm not, it's just a prediction take, right? I think Hayden will be the favourite, but he swims really well. He bikes really well when he runs really well. He's run better at the 10k last year before you would say in 24, I'd have said no, because he tended to favour the sprint races. You he was even better at super league. But then last year he was winning 10k races pretty comfortably. So I think his endurance has built. So I think it's a reasonable shout, but I do. I do agree Carl Hayden will be the favourite.

speaker-1: I'm also intrigued by Mika Niu. He's been on pretty long altitude training camp. ⁓ I'm sure he's gonna come out swinging this year too. And you get Leo Bejerres back after his sickness and injury last year. Singapore's gonna be a great race ⁓ the weekend after Ironman Texas. So we got two big races back to back, which will be exciting for us and the rest of the fans in the sport. The other hot take, next hot take, KB goes... the rest of the year undefeated.

speaker-0: You guys, not gonna, I was thinking about this yesterday when I was out riding and it's, this is such, you know, if KP wouldn't have had the puncture last year at Oceanside, presumably he would have won, right? He has, he had an insanely dominant performance in ⁓ Texas. My plea would be Maybe save a little bit for the last part for the back for the back end of the year. And so maybe that's what he's doing this year where he's like, look, I'm going to come out and I'm going to storm it. I'm going to, you know, we've already forgotten about the mechanical and the whatever six, seventh place that he got in New Zealand. So he's going to want to do a big one in Texas. ⁓ But he's shown that he's not bulletproof, you know, I mean, he's he's he's shown it. So, yes, these two these last two weekends have been. absolutely insane. But you know that's why everybody pins on the numbers because we don't know what happens on the big day.

speaker-2: The question I have though, right, so after Texas he should take a week off, right? But what would KB...

speaker-1: He said he's going to do an offseason after time.

speaker-2: Yeah but if takes a week off what does he do?

speaker-1: drive his Tesla around? I don't know.

speaker-2: No, my point of like, what's KB doing for a week if he's not training? I can't picture it. I can't picture him just sat on the sofa binge watching Peaky Blinders. I just don't know what he's doing.

speaker-0: No. No. No.

speaker-1: No. KB, there's going to be one person that has something to say about that. That's the guy who got 12th in Oceanside. Historically, you have to do bad in Oceanside to win the granddaddy. Casper did bad in Oceanside. Patrick Lang does bad in Oceanside. And guess who didn't do the best in Oceanside this last weekend? Gustav Eden. And that sets him up for a perfect October. No one cares about Oceanside.

speaker-2: and Laidlow watching these 20 meter draft races blow apart must be frothing. laughing. my gosh.

speaker-1: Yeah. That's one thing that we talked about while we were there. I don't remember the last time someone won Oceanside and also won the World Champs. I think it was maybe Jan Frodeno? Probably Jan.

speaker-2: Just tell us would you?

speaker-0: We'll have it for you next

speaker-1: It was was John Frodeno in 2018 you have to go all the way back to whoever won Oceanside in 2018

speaker-2: Daniela didn't do it.

speaker-1: Well, I guess, sorry for the men's side. On the women's side, Danielle won in 19 and then I believe she won the Ironman World Champ. No? Anne Hogg won in 19, yeah. 2018. I'm not sure if Jan Frodeno... I think he might have been a little scared of Patrick Lang that year to show up to Kona, but I could be wrong. I believe Patrick Alango was the winner there.

speaker-0: What's the next hot day?

speaker-1: It was 2015, Patrick. Sorry. 2015, Jan Frodeno is the one when the last time a male done it. yeah. Crazy. Who knows KB though? He likes to define all odds. So he's just rewriting stuff. So that's for the male side. You have to run a 109 in order to win races now. Can't win races with 110s anymore.

speaker-2: Next

speaker-1: I mean, if Sam Long could have ran a 109, he wins this race. TBH. Like, he would have had to have a PB day, but could have ran a 109. Do you think Sam's over biking? Is that why he's not running sub 110?

speaker-2: because if he doesn't over bike a bit, he needs to run a 107 to win the race. So it's a balancing game. You know, he got very close to getting it right. Like, I think he can run a 109 now. I he's that good.

speaker-0: He what are you gonna do? You're get fourth place and you're gonna look at the guys in front of you And you're gonna say damn I was really close But there's no shame and get in fourth place in that race. Okay, you can be upset and go yeah off shoot I wish I would have done this I would have done that but dude look at look at that. Look at look at the dudes in front of you You got yeah Sam Sam had an amazing race fourth place amazing

speaker-1: Because I

speaker-0: You got beat by two guys that have got world titles in front of you. And you got one guy that's insanely decorated that's gonna have an amazing long course career. I mean.

speaker-2: Yeah, totally. And he put on a show for us. He did what we want. He drove the bike. He made it interesting. Legend.

speaker-1: I almost don't think... I think it's like the counter of that. I don't think it's that Sam Long needs to run a 109. Sam Long has very few sub 110 runs, if not one. He's usually around 110, 111. It's that he probably should continue to work on his bike and open up that gap more and make it harder for them to run. He's probably at his threshold. don't know how much... Sam Long had a phenomenal race. That's where he's at. one more big hot take. So there's been a lot of coaching changes over the last two seasons, I would say on training peaks. Mark, you're going to be able to maybe talk to this a little bit better than I could, but I was talking, ⁓ to very high level coach, not going to name names. And there's some frustrations that you can see the previous coaches, entire plan on training peaks. Once someone moves to a new. coach. Does that make sense?

speaker-2: Yeah, but I think that's a problem if you are going from a big successful coach to either someone else. But like, what's the alternative? Because if that person is not looking back and seeing what you're doing, looking for gaps, looking for areas you can improve, identifying what training you did well around good races, then they're a shit coach and they're an idiot and they shouldn't be coaching pro athletes anyway. So you have to have access to that stuff. Also, there's no secrets. it's not, KB is the best coach in the world and he posts every single workout he does on Strava. So if you want to go and copy someone's previous work, just look at KB's Strava, you know, and other athletes that are public on Strava. So I think that's a bit of whining and I think that's a bit of, I don't know who you just spoke to, so I'm going to insult them anyway. I think that's a bit of self-inflated grandeur that you believe you've got this wonderful method and now they've moved on Crimea River they can steal my work you ain't

speaker-0: some yeah you've got some untouchable IP that nobody else knows I mean

speaker-2: What you doing five minutes off?

speaker-0: I put this to professional courtesy and it's just like, know, look, this is the world that we're in. And you know what? If you were on a professional team, whether it's an NFL, NBA, and you're an athlete and you're swapping players around, you you would say, hey coach, look, like, man, we used to run it this way at Miami. Like you should check it out. I just, to me, this is just the nature of the beast.

speaker-1: Playbooks too.

speaker-2: Because that coach wants to get an athlete and he can't see any of their private past workouts at all. And he thinks that's the preferable scenario.

speaker-1: No, you're good. good. There's no racing this next weekend, kind of first weekend off in a while. For that, our show will be a little bit different, so you don't have to tune if you want, but it's going to basically be a full-on explanation video of our website. It will be hosted by myself. And basically, I'm just going to... record and go through our entire website, how to use it, features we plan to implement and all that. So we figured with the bye week, we would take the advantage and take the time to do that. But yep, no race this next week. ⁓ So there will be no pod outside of that little one, which will be on YouTube. But with that being said, race week, I guess race season is officially here. We hope you guys enjoyed the show. Lastly, just want to thank everyone who came up to us at Ironman 70.3 Oceanside. the feedback we've gotten on the website. This is not really our website. This is everyone, this community's website. Without you guys, this wouldn't be possible. This entire show wouldn't be possible. So we just want to thank you guys all. So the more input you have on this website, when you want things changed, you want things implemented, someone wrote in the forum, on the calendar view, I want to be able to look at a full calendar, not a list. We then implemented that. So whatever feedback you guys have, let us know and we'll see you on the next one.