speaker-0: Pro Try News is a podcast with different opinions, knowledge, and possibly fake news about triathlon racing. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only and some stories may be dramatized for comedic effect. Enjoy! speaker-1: Hello and welcome to another and special episode of Pro Try News. We are hot off the back of the season opener for the Iron Man Pro Series and it feels like triathlon in general this year down under in Taupo, New Zealand. Now, me, Pat and Kyle got together and we were absolutely dreading this episode because Kyle, as we all know, is a lifelong Trevor Foley fanboy and we were really concerned that he would just be gushing. and we had to try and find a way to prevent him gushing too much on the show. So to get around that, we have the man himself on, because I thought it would make it socially awkward for Kyle, so we have Trevor Foley with us. Good, thank you for joining us after your magnificent victory. And then to balance it out, bring on the sort of star of the weekend on the women's side, we have, and this is hard to get her on, who have we got? Kat Matthews, ProTor News, guest. speaker-0: How you doing? speaker-1: Just to balance out, you know, the token female. That's not what I meant. I've done it straight away. speaker-0: ⁓ speaker-2: No, it's good. It's good. ⁓ speaker-1: Kyle, you can go, you can have 30 seconds. How right were you? speaker-2: I mean, I just been telling people a long time that Trevor Foley was gonna be a big deal and I'm just glad that Trevor found his legs again after he won in Lake Placid a couple years ago and now it seems that he's got it figured out again. So excited for the world to see what could happen this season. So no pressure. speaker-1: Trevor, is that fair? Has Carl been, does he beg you up to you a lot as well or is it just publicly? speaker-0: It's just been like a day one homie supporter, you know what I mean? I'm either winning or I'm dropping out. There's no third places. So it's either all or nothing and poor Kyle has to carry the TFR flag all the time and it gets burned a lot. So I just feel bad. speaker-1: Trevor, do you think that's fair? Like Carl saying, you got it figured out again? Or do you think it's just real that you, it's not that easy just to win and win and win and win? Like it's such a grind for the majority of the time. speaker-0: Yeah, I think we just kind of get ⁓ maybe spoiled is the right word with people like Pagacha, Blumenfeld, who just show up and just dominate people all the time where it's just like, dude, that doesn't happen for most people. Like those people are world-class athletes and they're just completely dialed as their whole life. like, yeah, most mortals like myself, like, yeah, it's like really hard to, you know, have your bike not fall apart. Swim really well, bike really well, run really well. Like it's just travel well. Like it's just, so hard. I think people just don't understand like yeah traveling from America over 30 hours to come race 140 miles like it's just it's hard like but I mean if it was easy everyone would do it right speaker-1: Did Trevor just open up popping a shot at Christian Blumenfeld, that bike falling apart? speaker-0: No, mean, my bike just falling apart in like four races. ⁓ OK. Four. ⁓ Like when I passed Christian, I think I overtook him the first time in the race and didn't see it. And then I overtook him again. And I was like, fuck. Like my adrenaline kind of lost for a second because he was missing an arrow bar. And I was like, damn, like that's kind of not fair. But then did think to myself, like, that literally happened to me like two times before. So like it's just unfortunately part of the game. speaker-1: So do want to summarize the results and stuff and we're going to race? What we're do is bang some hot takes in the end. We've got one blinding, but a news to drop for you at the end, which we'll cover in hot takes, but let's, let's go like we normally would. We'll summarize the results and we'll just analyze the race a little bit. Trevor's just been shoveling food into his face. So he's run off to wash his hands. speaker-2: So the race started here at Topa New Zealand at the lake. You had Pierre Lacour lead out the swim with about six guys in tow. The next pack was led by Fred Funk, James Hayes, and Christian Blumfeldt and a few other guys. And then there was a bit of a gap again to like Ben Hamilton and Trevor Foley. After that, the group started to kind of form on the bike and then roughly about 20K we were sitting out. I was with Luke and the team out. on the corner at 20 kilometers. And that's when Kyle Smith decided to go for it. So he charged up that hill and ⁓ basically he didn't look back. From there, the group was kind of like scrambling a bit. ⁓ From then on, Trevor, I think I gave a split to Trevor, who was about three minutes to Christian and about five to Kyle already. So Kyle like really started opening the gap pretty much straight away. speaker-1: And we'll get back onto your swim, Trevor, because that was really impressive. But you just mentioned the gap that you gave to Trevor. Is your wife or girlfriend partner out the doghouse? speaker-0: I don't think yeah, like she's completely fine with me, but poor thing. I don't think so has recovered. Yeah, so I I was swimming was with the second pack or whatever for about 1,500 yards meters, which was quite good for me and then ended up swimming the rest of the race solo felt really good. It was just the best feeling swim, whatever, blah, blah, blah. It's really good swim for me. ⁓ Came out and thought I was like decently in the thick of it. And ⁓ yeah, was running through transition, got on my bike and saw self and she goes six down and that's like speaker-1: Can you explain what she did? speaker-0: right at the border of like, I could still win, but it's gonna take like a monumental bike. And I was like, okay, like that's still okay. And then I see Kyle, like 34 minutes into the bike and he's like, three down. And I'm like looking at my power meter and I go, wow, like I'm only pushing like 300 watts and I just took back three minutes. I'm gonna like, I'm gonna really give it the, give it the beans and like just bridge the gap now. And I got to the turnaround at like 40 K and nothing had happened. I only swam my 345 down, lifetime best swim gap. And so literally called her mom during the race freaking out because she's like, ⁓ my god, I just told Trevor he's six minutes down and he's actually like three. speaker-2: And then she called me frantic. She's like, you need to give him the right split. You need to give him the right split. speaker-1: Do you feel robbed of that adrenaline of that you knew you had the best swim of your life? speaker-0: Like in the moment, yeah, because I was starting the bike and I felt like total crap like sometimes I just don't feel great on the bike so the first 15 minutes I was pushing crap power I was six minutes behind and I was like well this sucks and then I railed that first climb rode the descent really well and then like it was really nice seeing Kyle it was total 180 because they're like you brought back three minutes and I was like wow Yeah, had changed speaker-1: Well, Whereas nothing had actually really moved. speaker-0: I thought it took back three minutes and 30 minutes. So I'm taking back a minute every 10 minutes. So I was like, Oh, I hit the front here in about 30 more minutes and happy days. Nothing I never did. speaker-2: So then we made our way back to town. They started lap two of the bike and Matt Hanson surprisingly was on the front of that group. speaker-1: I've been saying this, I said it to Matt Hanson now, he agreed. He's an absolute top bloke, real gent of a man. And we said, if you had on your bingo card this year, 20 meter draft rule favors Matt Hanson. I think you'd be in for a, you you'd be an oracle because no one had that on their bingo card. But when Matt Hanson was put in the front of the KB group, I thought, my God, this is awesome. speaker-2: Yeah, and he seemed a bit surprised. He said that that was kind of his strategy from what he raced in Kona a couple years ago. He was like, I'm just going to stay with him till hobby and then let him go. And that's the race. I believe he got 10th. So he said that was going to be a strategy. now this time. speaker-1: Can I, strategy wise, can we rewind slightly to where Kyle made this big move? Yeah. Do we think that that's maybe a 70.3 tactic and maybe not on reflection an Ironman tactic? Or was that his card to play? I think it was his card, personally I think it was his card to play. I think he overplayed it because like what he did was give an amazing spectacle in front of his hometown. It was super cool. But the reality is, is he five minutes better over 90k, which is basically what you had at the turnaround. than everyone else in the field and over an Ironman you would have to say probably not like in reality. So I think it was the right thing because he wasn't with the good riders. If he was trying to drop Trevor, Freddie Funk, like Rasmu, those big guys, maybe it's not the card to play work with them, but he was by far the best rider. So why tow them? What do you reckon? Yeah, no, I think it's incredibly brave. speaker-2: I mean he's with Pierre Lacour at that point so it's like of course Kyle wants to get away from a guy like speaker-0: Yeah, I don't want to my bike with Pierre, course. But when I saw him leading though, at the first turnaround, like when we head back to town or whatever, I wasn't surprised. I he lives here. Like I would do the same thing if I was a local person who could swim and bike that well. speaker-1: Yeah, and he did look super chill. He gave me the, I sort of told him his gap and he gave me the, you know, the Italian hand on his bars, the the thumb and index finger, like, mwah. It was like, sweet. I'm right. He was super calm with it. So he clearly, he liked it. speaker-2: So then lap two, Trevor was just starting to catch on to the back of that group. Probably still like 30 seconds down. With Fred Funk, right? With Fred Funk, And then ⁓ you actually were passing Pierre Lacour and Christian Blumenfeld coming up back up the hill to start the second lap. speaker-0: Yeah, I think I went from whatever 13th to second speaker-2: Did you just go straight through all of them on that uphill? speaker-0: I'm so scared of getting a like I'm so anti-draft or like a stickler of the rules. I'm so paranoid like I always hear these people like ⁓ I don't have enough time to pass or it's like I do a thousand watts when I pass people like I pass people in three seconds like you like it just doesn't even come in my mind like when I pass someone I pass them in literally two seconds and that's it so when I pass the 12 people train yeah I do like 500 watts for a minute and I pass 12 people in two seconds it was great just because I don't I the rest right there I just I I would be devastated if I got a penalty. So that's just what I do, yeah. speaker-1: Kudos. Having ridden the course, obviously, kudos. Like, there were girls who did not do that. speaker-0: Yeah, just, I would just be like looking at my garment or wahoo and be like, all right, 45 seconds to go. Let me just like, cause you gotta think about it. Like I'm also coming up on a group of 10 people, right? I've just taken five minutes out of them. Like it probably is not that hard to pass them. Like what, like you're already going faster than them, right? Like you only need to go like two more miles per hour faster to pass them anyway. You as well just carry your momentum. Yeah. speaker-1: they don't know you're coming as well. speaker-2: Did you get any of their reactions like whenever you were passing them or anything or no was it just kind of like stoic Game game on type of thing. Yeah speaker-1: You can assume that. speaker-0: I think when I came by, I always think whenever I come by, or in that circumstance, people thought, OK, time to hammer now. And talking to Jack Moody and Matt Hanson, yeah, when I came by, I went by really hard. I had terrible legs, so was trying to do something. yeah, think it's like, I don't know, people maybe wake up because I'm a halfway decent runner. So it's maybe not Pierre LeCour, but I can run decent. speaker-1: Well, as it turns out, really decent. do like the, you know, my terrible legs, so I just drilled 500 watts to get past them for a minute. My legs were terrible. speaker-0: Yeah, I mean it's like so not like my coach or someone smart would do it's like I'm already feeling bad on the bike Let's do 500 watts for two minutes and let's see if they wake up. It's like no, bro It doesn't work. I'm already done. I'd poo legs doing two five and a watch for two minutes is not gonna help you feel better speaker-2: And so we'll move quickly through the rest of the bike. ⁓ Fred Funk kind of went off the front of you guys. You guys rode together for what? How long? And then he attacked. speaker-1: Did he attack or did he just slip off the front? No. speaker-0: Yeah, I was pulling probably from up the hill down the descent and then whatever, away from town. then he took a quote unquote pull and I was riding at probably 30 meters. And I just was like, yeah, I'm fucking tired. Fuck this. I'm done. No effect. I'm just going to ride 270 watts back to town. And that's what he did. speaker-1: you back in? Did you? Was it because it was Fred Fung? Were you like backing yours? If it was a faster runner, would you have made speaker-0: If it was Christian for sure I would have buried myself to go with but like I'd like to think that I could have ran a few minutes faster than Fred and I knew at the time there was only an hour left and he was gaining seconds at a time. It wasn't a lot so I felt pretty fine with myself. No, like Christian did and Mike Phillips did and I think Hamilton was there for a while. Yeah, no one did. speaker-2: and no one else wanted to go with them. speaker-1: Do you think that that was a defining moment in your race? The decision you made. speaker-0: Yeah, I think it took like some level headed of like somewhat of confidence to like back my run and I do I didn't talk about it a lot but I really focused on my run probably the most of any sport this build so I knew like I was going to be on for a good one and so that I really took my time through like the last two aid stations grabbed the electrolytes water extra gels and just kept slamming it preparing for the run. speaker-1: We've got to get onto his run gel thing later. And then even though you said you felt really rubbish on the bike, how do you have that faith that your run legs were going to be there? And let Fred go, how do you still hold that faith? speaker-0: Yeah, I talked to Sean, my coach this morning actually, and it's like for the last like two, three years of my career, I've been so insecure on the bike, like, ⁓ I have to catch up, I have to catch up, because I've put all this time and energy on the bike, and then my run has just kind of subsided. ⁓ But now like, I'm balancing all three sports well, I'm running well again. ⁓ And now I just, I've ran for so long that like, I feel like, I can recover while I'm running. no matter how bad I feel on the bike, I can just get onto the run. It's slower. It's easy for me. I just run my pace. I don't run too hard and I can recover while I'm running, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like my legs can be blown to pieces and I get on the run and it's like, I'm just waking up. You know what I mean? speaker-1: Does that resonate? Yeah, I know I do and I think that's maybe hard for some people to understand but I think... control of taking a breath. speaker-0: Yep, and like if I would need to walk an aid station real quick and get some extra fuel, it's so hard to do that on the bike. speaker-1: think it's something that most age groupers would find that so alien to like me and probably to Kyle. This notion that it was once it starts to go bad, it's just going to go, it just gets worse. But I think, I think some pros in particular, I think you two are really good examples. You are kind of thoroughbred like runners in a way that you're very economical. You're probably, you would have to say your run economy is both probably really, really high that you can actually recover whilst running at that sort of pace. It's something that is unique in the pro field. don't think. speaker-2: Yeah, no. ⁓ speaker-0: think it's also smart too that I looked at actually on slow twitch this morning when I was looking. I can't fact check this but someone slow twitch that I ran 117.20 the first half and then 118.20 the second half. like that's pretty like pretty damn near perfect. So yeah, if you're if you pace it correctly I feel like yeah you can quote unquote recover a bit especially the first 10k of the run but I mean if you're going out and 114.113 through the 21k mark. I've run out on 112 before, like really hard to recover at running 112 through an Ironman. speaker-1: You asked that with the even split Queen here. Kat would be mortified with a minute out. mean, yesterday was a bit different. you just, her Kona first half, second half, there was like a one second difference. speaker-0: Unbelievable. Yeah, mean, within a minute, I was. speaker-1: I mean, Trevor, I will say we had a really funny thing. 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And it like low key fired me up and I was like, hell yeah. speaker-2: So then coming up the out and back section and then coming up the hill, that's when you kind of started leading the race. speaker-0: Yep, I hit a really dark path, I can tell. speaker-1: Right, this is so, because Kat, Trevor told us this last night. Would you ever do this, Kat, before he tells the story? Never. Right, go on. So you hit a dark path. speaker-0: So real quick, like when I leave transition, I have a little Ziploc baggie of like four sponsor correct Z2 gels and then probably like 20 salt stick pills that I take. And it was like, yeah, like, and just like enough to get through at least like 90 minutes of the run. And I took all that. I was a good, good athlete. And then I just started seeing stars around 15 miles and I'm either going to walk and get last place or I'm going about to house this aid station and throw up like either way I'm done. So I might as well, I take Literally 10 salt pills in my mouth, swallowed with water. I take seven more in gels. Bam, bam, bam, bam. speaker-1: seven Morton gels in one sitting. speaker-0: These are the hundred gels. aren't the more than 160s. And so the small guys and then just a shit ton of Coke. And I kind of just walked it real quick and he gave it five, six minutes. It hits the dome. And I just felt I felt fine because then at that point I see Kyle like on the hill. This is five minutes after taking the massive like lunch break and lunch break and I'm fired up. And then I saw so I was like, I'm ready to go. I'm good. speaker-1: That was a great joke from Carl last night. That's what a more move is. Yeah. But that must be like a thousand calories in one sitting. speaker-0: I am, for one reason or another, I'm just blessed with, I could eat a steak dinner and go rip a 10 mile temp, but it's just great. speaker-1: Well, your partner, Sophie, described your stomach as his stomach's just a trash dumpster. speaker-0: Yeah, like I like in training sometimes do like if you do a big bike to a run or something. Yeah, I could I could house like four gels and just be completely fine. speaker-1: But just to clarify, since you finished the race, I've never seen anyone eat more professionally than you have. Protein, carbs, chicken, straight away, know, cherry juice, you're on it. I'm it. speaker-0: I'm not even kidding. Yeah, and I'm allowing myself two days to drink normal powerade. I lost two months. I've done sugar-free can't drink the calories. So down 15 pounds from last controversial to say but speaker-1: can't drink the calories. Me and Kat, as you have this thing, I mean, that's, yeah, it shouldn't be controversial. speaker-0: It shouldn't be controversial. This is my job. It's math, right? The lighter you are, the faster you're going to be. Don't be a fricking idiot and lose 100 pounds. But there's a ⁓ point that I need to be at to run and execute my race really well. And I'm at that. I just kind of let myself go. speaker-1: I clarify the statement because I always say this by light you are the faster to be you mean everything else being equal as in health Etc the light you are the father. Yeah, yeah, because that's what's missed like because obviously people Think they're gonna get lighter is faster and then they do then other things start to fail But as long as those things aren't failing hundred percent basic right perfect speaker-2: And so before you grab the finish tape, you did have a little bit of a run battle with Matt Hanson and Pierre Lacour where they were going back. speaker-1: Well, I was going to say, he ran into traffic on the road. speaker-0: I overtook Kyle Smith as we ended the whatever the third lap. So we had 10 K's to go Hanson was 30 31 seconds behind Pierre was 40 seconds behind I mean every and Moody was still within a minute I mean everyone was right there and I told so if I so if I'm gonna run 234 But if these guys beat me like I don't know what else to do And then I caught cat now I saw mark and he's yelling at me all day and he's like, alright use cat and I was like, alright and so I run up on cat's hip and she's like you're amazing, like wow, like this is unbelievable. And I'm like, huh? And then I'm like, yeah, sorry, I'm gonna take the tangent here, you get to run on my left shoulder, so I'm taking the shortest way through the aid state, through the sidewalk, then fourth, then I cut her off through the aid station, I don't think she got any aid. But I mean, we dropped like a three minute 800 in the middle, like we just started ripping six minute pace, and it was pretty sick. And then once I like went through the aid station and became a bit more coherent, like it's one of the coolest things that's like. I've done like running with like the pro female male like leader and then the female like running side by side like a had wolf look super cool. speaker-2: Yeah, a lot of people were talking about it on the broadcast and like a bunch of pictures and stuff were getting posted about it. Where do you, was that the game plan? You wanted to run with the leader anyway. Yeah. speaker-1: And I'm glad it was you, Trevor. I thought, like, why not? And to be fair, was actually Mark Gagging me on. He was like, use each other, help him out. So it gives me lot of, like, happiness helping. speaker-0: Yeah, and we passed out little when Republic like Stan like the hype ladies or whatever right there, and they're like ⁓ my gosh speaker-1: Between those two splits you were 45 seconds at a pillar core and then after that split you were a minute five and it was job done. I mean we And then you just you just rode it home, you know, oh but then I saw you on that last hill you were cramping my hand. It was gone speaker-0: took off for a second. I had to convulge up that last hill, which it happens a lot. This is like the end of an Iron Man. And I was just fighting it. And you told me, like, get to the top of the hill. And I got to the top of the hill. And I ended up just running down fine. But yeah, it was hurting. speaker-1: I this run course, I underestimated it because the center point three worlds, half marathon was sort of like fine. Yeah. But the hills on the marathon. speaker-0: On the third and fourth loop, I thought it was going to be a lot faster, whatever, easier than it was going to be. But that long hill at the back, the U-turn and stuff, it got hard the third and fourth lap. speaker-2: Yep You ended up grabbing the finish tape first American to win here since Tim to boom back in 1999 Second place Pierre Lacour on debut got his Kona slot Matt Hanson third place huge result for him fastest run split of the day 234 49 and Jack Moody getting the other Kona slot fourth place 237 39 speaker-1: So before we move on to the women, shall we just wrap through some of the other people and what our thoughts on this? Probably me and you mainly will lead on this, if it's any of the negative stuff, because we don't want to get pro athletes drawn into talking about each other. But there are some, I mean, huge positives, right? Piela Kaur, what a wonderful debut. He kind of lived up to what I expected of him. He ran brilliantly. He rode better than I thought he would. He swam exactly how we thought he would. He paced the marathon real well. Like he had a tiny fade at the end, but not really. With a brilliant run. speaker-2: No. speaker-1: All round, excellent Iron Man debut. speaker-2: And one of those athletes that now has like moved over completely from short course after his fourth place at the Olympics. Now someone that's going to be probably a factor at 70.3 and probably Ironman World Championship later this year. speaker-1: He has the pedigree for it. I just saw he executed a really, really sensible race for a debut. And when you speak to the guy, his English isn't great, but he just seems quite mature and level-headed. it's exactly. Yeah, super nice. It's exactly what I expected of him. Matt Hanson for me was the. The chaperon the day. I Trevor probably does deserve it on the men's side, but let's give it to Matt Hanson because he's had a long career. He's an absolute top bloke. speaker-2: It's super nice. Chapeau of the Day. speaker-1: He's had some bad results, he's had some good results. He's never really ridden like that with the front of the group so aggressively, or not for a very long time. ⁓ You said he had the fastest bike, but in some race you did. speaker-0: Yeah, North American Champs speaker-1: Yeah, I mean, he's not he's just got this rapper being a bad writer for a few for a few years of it. Yeah, but ⁓ speaker-2: And now he's self-coached this year going into what may be his either final season or final season. speaker-1: Yeah so Chapparra the day for him. Jack Moody, man he took off at the start of that run fast didn't he? speaker-0: Renting it was. speaker-2: Sorry, went off. speaker-1: I mean, I think he, I think he maybe overdid it a little bit there. I will say in general, I thought he was better than I was expecting. I thought he might be one of the down under athletes that crumbled a bit. speaker-0: He was the top kiwi. Yeah speaker-2: He's top kiwi got a Kona slot, which is two big goals for him knocked out I talked to him after the race and he was like I just need a big break So after winning challenge Wanaka a couple weeks ago speaker-0: He told me I'd call for this morning, he's going to do fans next. speaker-2: So yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, right. Good for him. speaker-2: Mike Phillips, fifth place, sixth place Christian Blumenfeld. speaker-1: What did Mike Phillips run? speaker-2: 246 54 speaker-1: Yeah, I think he'll be a little bit disappointed with the day. He didn't really feature like an athlete like him couldn't expect to. speaker-2: Yeah, especially as a past three-time winner here. speaker-1: Yeah, like he was in the pack on the bike. never really seemed to drill it. then his run was like maybe six minutes off where he's done here before. So probably, I mean, it's solid all around performance, but not, not what you would expect from Mike Phillips. KB now we've underestimated how it had been in the few days before. speaker-2: Yeah, he was super sick this week. Not to make excuses or anything like that. Super sick leaning into this race and then even took a day off, which most people know, for Christian to take a day off is gonna take a lot. speaker-1: But then what I really liked, so then his bar falls off on the bike, right? Absolute fiasco. He had had them tightened and adjusted the day before by a random mechanic in town, I guess in just no threadlock. So he lost his basic computer in his bar. He could lean on it. But when you speak to him afterwards, he just not using it as an excuse. He was like, I could get on with it pretty well. Like I was on the bar, you know, it was fine. I don't think I lost that much from it. The reality is you lose loads from it. But Christian's not using it. He's like, I was just a bit under the weather still. I just didn't have it. Not how many people. speaker-2: You're pretty good at guessing this. How many watts do you think you lost probably on the bike from losing the aero bar? speaker-1: I don't know. I couldn't guess like the sustained watts because even once he's gone stable again and he's kind of on it, it's still not ideal, right? And at that pace, he's still losing power. I think emotional energy. For most people, that would be so challenging that you would drain yourself emotionally. For 160k. And also you're having a bad day. Your bike's fallen apart. You've won an Olympic gold. You've won WTCS series. You've won 70.3 Worlds. You've won the Ironman World Champs. speaker-0: But a waste of energy trying to balance. speaker-1: but you still tap it in. You said you were really impressed by that, Trevor. speaker-0: Yeah, just like, haven't, like, to put his ego aside like that and just go compete for 140 miles and just, I mean, we saw him on the first lap, he was... I think he came back alive like the final two laps, but it's just like someone you want to look up to, like, I want to be like that, where it's just like, he doesn't give a fuck about what anyone thinks about... speaker-2: He was going backwards fast. He did the same thing in Oceanside last year. He's down on the side of the road for 15 minutes and then goes and bangs out a 106. speaker-1: Yes, amazing. speaker-0: It's like it's just a champions mindset. I mean, that's why he's the speaker-1: It's kind of why it's the people's favourite, right? You see the cues for autographs and stuff like that. speaker-0: Gave me up at the finish, just said, great work, shit luck. That's what he told me. Like, hell yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, top bloke. ⁓ Freddie Funk just sacked it in. speaker-2: I think he posted on his Instagram that he's not proud of pulling out, but the plan was always to step out of the race if he was no longer in contention for a Kona slot. speaker-0: How do you feel about that? Because I... You're not into it. speaker-1: I'm not into it. I'm not, I'm not into finishing for the sake of finishing. If you're a pro athlete and you're injured and it's really going to affect you. I'm not into like walking 30 K on an injury, right? But I'm, I'm not, I, speaker-0: ⁓ I see it's like, okay. Yeah, you're not gonna have the Kona slot You're gonna run three hours pull out prep for Texas. Like I see I'm like cool like make sense I don't know speaker-1: Yeah. I don't know. For me, it's also just a really long way to come. speaker-0: Well, yeah, I mean, I'm thinking of like my normal American race where it's like a two hour flight and it's like, yeah, not going well. Like on like there's one next week. speaker-2: He's on the other side of the world from Germany. speaker-1: And you know, if he goes to South Africa, Bugs, okay, can you swap? Yeah. ⁓ if he goes to South Africa and grabs a spot there, well, great decision. Perfect. Yeah, exactly. It's one of those decisions we'll be able to judge later on. But yeah, I mean, whatever. speaker-0: He did do Challenge Wanaka. He did. speaker-2: Yeah. Smith, what do you make of, ⁓ he ended up getting 11th place on the day. mean, race is super brave. speaker-1: Like I said earlier, like it was magnificent to watch. mean, I was happy to see Trevor Wynn. I'd be happy to see Matt Hanson Wynn. I'd have been really happy as well to see Carl Smith Wynn. I think he, honestly, I think he overdid it and just caught up with him. You know, like it does. And you can feel great until you don't. And suddenly he really didn't, but he soldiered it in. Love Carl Smith, home crowd, what a ride. speaker-2: Yeah, whatever excited to see him racing Kona. Yeah, yeah, eventually. That's he gets his slot. Yeah. So should we get on to the women's race? We got on it. We got enough from the men's women's race. This one was led out by Fenella language. Good to see her returning to full Ironman distance racing. ⁓ She had with her Lotte Wilms and Becca Clark and Hannah Barry. Great swim for her. A bit of a gap, about two and a half minutes to Katrina Matthews and speaker-1: Yeah I reckon so. speaker-2: some others kind of rigged. speaker-1: Was with Kat when you got out of the sun? And I think the front part was a tiny bit bigger? Yeah, there's one of the rattle, yeah. speaker-2: Hannah Knighton. She was in the middle. Yeah. speaker-1: And then how far back was Tamara Jewish? She had a real good swim. speaker-2: She was four, three and a half, three, 40. speaker-1: Yeah. So she was only like a minute down on Kat out the water, is a, which is a, she's a good swimmer. She's had some really good swims in the past. That's much more like a bit of an old Tamra Jewett and makes her quite dangerous at that point in the race. Cause the others have to think about getting onto her. They tapped out onto the bike. Um, the front group sort of split up slightly and Hannah Berry dropped her chain quite early on having made a move. had a 32nd gap and dropped her chain. I have a theory that she's got a too big a gap between the chain ring sizes. I think she's running like a 38 and like a 58. But that's a total guess just looking at how the space in the rings. I'm not sure. Anyway, it's been mechanical. She then got closed down again by ⁓ Lottie and Rebecca Clark was there still. The others had started to drift backwards. And then ⁓ I saw through the first time, so it had not caught them at all. thought, ⁓ and then I saw her at the top of the hill and looks like you went ripping. Well, I can't offer any more than the tracker. Sorry. I just I wrote. I wrote to the plan, which was catch as quick as possible, but I didn't overdo it. I didn't go a bit crazy. And I think Mark one sort of was like egging me on to go a bit hard. And I just, I just focused on a heart rate target and, and yeah, I don't think it was anything special. speaker-2: Not a power target. You just focus on the heart rate target. Yeah. Oh, wow. speaker-1: But the plan was to catch as fast as possible, Yes, and I was really surprised to... I was really happy to see that first time gap. was only... speaker-2: few minutes. And you caught him around what 40k? 30k. speaker-1: Yeah, like 40K. There's like a little bridge before the little tiny dogleg. speaker-2: Yeah, and then you made a move to the front of the group, or you just... speaker-1: Yeah, I actually brought the back of the group and I was like, sweet. Like, I can't believe it's so early. I, in my head was sort of, I always liked to picture the worst case scenario. I, Mark was like 30 K and I said 130 K before the race. So yeah, catching them around 40. I was like, oh, well that's cool. And I've still got the fun bit of the race to go. But then I was like, well, this can't be the front. So I can't just sit here just in case, cause I wasn't sure how many people. And then, so I went straight to the front thinking that maybe Hannah was further in front and actually she was the front rider so was like, ⁓ sweet. But then I just felt good at that point. I thought, well, if I have caught them this quickly, I can't sit in this. I need to keep pushing on the front. speaker-2: And what was the ride like? Was it pretty consistent with all four of you guys the whole rest of the way? speaker-1: Yeah, sure. One of you has to add this, because it's her husband grilling her questions on this bike. Okay, I feel like I wanted to sit at the front more. Yeah. And there were periods where I was there for a long time. Yeah. I think Race Ranger ⁓ helped and challenged the dynamic slightly because there was a few times where it was me, Hannah and Lotta. Yeah. And ⁓ I got a little bit frustrated and we've talked about it afterwards, like with Lotta coming through, then putting in a best effort to come through because she'd hit red and then not holding the same intensity. everyone was then challenged to either concertina back 40 meters or, you know, have to do something about it. So it was, the dynamic did get broken up a little bit. But that's maybe for a hot take. think there is something with the ref that, Lottie didn't deserve this. I'm I'm not stressing this, but so Lottie's hitting the red cause it was just, it's just a bit of an awkward course. So she comes through and then slows down. If an athlete repeatedly does that, I feel like the referee is to say something. I'm not saying in this scenario they should have done, but they need to say something to them because what you're doing is just deliberately slowing the race down. Cause what do do if an athlete overtakes you, puts the brakes on, imagine you've got a teammate up the road, right? So imagine Trevor's riding with Caspar. KB's up the road and Casper comes past him, taps the brakes. Trevor has to go all the way back to then all the way forward. It's actually a really effective way to disrupt a group or if you're in a group and you're actually really struggling with the pace. speaker-0: You go to the front, hit the brakes and you can recover for almost a minute. Yeah. speaker-2: Before someone can attack it, you again. speaker-0: I've seen, yeah, this happened to me before for sure. Yeah, yeah, people are like, yeah, people just go around me, because I'm fucking drilling it. And it's probably not that hard to go around 12 meters. And yeah, you just hit the brakes. And again, rules are it's my responsibility to make rearward progress. So by the time I go 12 meters back, get in the orange, overtake him again, I could be north of. speaker-2: Really? I just made it one episode into the season and I'm like, all right, new rule for this year. We need a break check rule in the Ironman rule book. speaker-1: Going forward. speaker-0: Frankfort 2024 someone told me that the reason Laidlaw got a penalty and The Iron Man that he did the pro series that he got disqualified on it It's because someone break checked them and then drilled it out of the draft zone and then Laidlaw couldn't get it get around speaker-2: Wow. speaker-1: That is exactly what happened in Victoria. speaker-0: ⁓ okay. yeah, interesting. But like if I wanted to give someone a penalty, it would actually be very easy to hit my brakes, have someone go on the road. I do 800 Watts get away and then you have a penalty. That's not fair. speaker-1: and that's what the refs are there for and that's why we need them. Yeah, so I think, I don't think there's a rule change. I think it's just an education piece to refs. The refs are getting better and better. And if, you know, if you have refs that are integral to the sport and understand the sport, they just witnessed that. speaker-0: Oh, it's great. I like it's like the center line rule. Like you could get a yellow card, a blue card, disqualification or no call at all. Like I crossed the center line yesterday. Five times. Right in front of the ref just for like a second because it was funny because the ref was driving next to me, blowing her whistle at the age groupers and so on and waving her arm. And instead of the age groupers going to the left, they came over to the ref to talk to her. And I crossed the center line and I'm like, great, this is awesome. But like. speaker-2: Disqualified. speaker-0: I'm also not going to get disqualified. Like I'm just moving over for safety. speaker-1: Yeah, good cool. And the same happened to me. And I just, I thought the Rats were excellent. I actually, on this note, I think they had a little word with Lotte to talk about it during the race. So again, like they're trying to control the rate. thought, great. But if we go into the hot race ranger as a hot take, it maybe. Should we do it now? Yeah, come on then we'll get back to them as right. speaker-2: That's really good. Yeah, take was so race ranger now with the Ironman Changing the draft zone to 20 meters We're now red from 0 to 20 meters and then the light is blue from 20 meters to 22 meters and then it is orange from 22 meters to 25 meters so the hot take is speaker-0: think the orange or the blue, whatever, one of them needs to be longer. Because riding yesterday, seemed like it was either, I guess it was blue, was blue, whatever, for like half of a second. And then I would go to orange and there'd be nothing. Like we're used to riding 12 meters to 17 meters, so that's five meters. And now we only have like two meters of blue. Does that make sense? Like, so it's, happens very quickly. And I didn't really think of it. Like I obviously was noticing in the race from the Jack Moody. brought it up to me at coffee this morning was like, Oh, I think it needs to be like longer. And I was like, Oh yeah, it's because I was either riding at no light or like bumping into red and having to pass Fred. If that makes sense. speaker-1: And I think that's exactly what, yeah, the problems with what we were saying about, you you brought up the new rule thing. Like if somebody's having to put in a massive effort, if you don't know whether they've just rolled accidentally into the red and they are literally at their absolute capacity. And that's why they're, let's quote, break checking. They're not spent. So I think it's, it's one like reading the road better. Like that's a skill. speaker-0: Totally. Yeah. I mean it's skill to like I probably suck at riding 22 and a half meters behind perfectly in the blue. But like it would just be nice to have a few more meters of each color just to play around with. speaker-2: So think, Kevin, maybe it goes to 30 and then it's 20 to 25 is blue and 25 to 30 is... speaker-0: Yeah, just to have a bit more time in the colors, you know, I I think that would be nice. Yeah, It could be done without it, but I'm just speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: I think we were suggesting that you, actually need to like maybe keep the blue the same because that's the, that's the point of danger. So as soon as you hit, see any speaker-0: Yeah, you're dicing. speaker-1: you have to either be ready to go past or you've got to start going backwards. then stretch the orange out to 30, it might reduce this. Anyway, this is quite an early nuanced topic, but it's a really good suggestion that you both made this morning. speaker-0: Did you see that Dallas next week is having Race Ranger, not Pro Series Race, is having Race Ranger. speaker-1: That's cool. speaker-2: This episode of Pro Try News is brought to you by Rhythm Health, the monthly at-home blood test designed for people who actually want to understand their body and not guess about it. Here's the truth, most athletes get their blood done once, maybe twice a year, and that leaves huge gaps in understanding what's really going on internally. Rhythm helps fixes that and sends you a simple at-home test every single month. No lab visits, no big needles, just a quick sample at home. and then you mail it back. Within days, you'll get a full digital report with insights on the things that matter most to triathletes. 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Over the years, I've had off and on flare ups from my IT bands from either overuse or just doing a session a little bit too hard. And this tendon repair and ligament product has kind of revolutionized the way I've been able to train and stay healthy in this build. So if you want to try a product like this, visit pillarperformance.com. and try out that collagen repair. speaker-1: So then the women's race rolled in, you had movers in the field. Tamara Dewitt started riding really well to start with. She actually didn't lose that much time in the early half. ⁓ Definitely when we got to the 40k bit when I caught the group to hear that she was only, only I saw her on the turnaround, the dogleg, five minutes. I was like, ⁓ sugar, we need to keep working on this. Yeah, cause she's a threat, right? speaker-2: Cat's really looking out for a YouTube algorithm. speaker-1: sugar. Trevor's blown it. He's sworn loads of times. speaker-0: I thought it was the safe space. it's all Mark does. speaker-1: Yeah, it's a safe space. We're not doing visuals. So this is safe. Anyway, so Tamara had a pretty good ride and then faded towards the back end. Danielle Lewis was quite a big mover on the bike. She had one of the faster bike times of the day, kind of rode herself up the field. It looked a little bit like Lottie was hanging on a bit on the bike. And then Hannah was fairly comfortable in that group working with you girls. And then the other people, Regan Holyoke actually had a pretty poor start to the bike. Then she rallied for a while and then she dropped off. fairly significantly. So the start of the run saw speaker-2: So, Hannah Berry hit the bike, end of the bike first, and then Katrina Matthews start the run first. Kat had about a 30 second lead on Hannah Berry going out, and Lottie Wilms, who were kind of together, and then a five minute gap on Regan Holyoke, 13 minutes on Daniel Lewis, and roughly 21 minutes on Tamar Juet. speaker-1: And then the run from that point onwards, I I think in a way it was lucky we had a really dynamic men's race because the women's race was sort of to form in a way. Kat ran... Did you run hard? speaker-0: You had to have run hard the first lap. You were flying when I saw you the first lap. speaker-1: I ran what didn't feel like hard. was well under, was in zone like, was very comfortable and my heart rate was low, but it did feel awkward on my legs. know that like off the bike. speaker-0: You look good, you were cooking. and it got warm out there. speaker-1: But it was still fast, sure. And then the second lap I faded already. And you just lose time through the aid stations as you start paying more attention to it, don't you? And then I tried to just like focus on, you know, when are the boys catching? I ran with Kyle for a bit, ran with you for a bit. And then I was like, still a lap to go. But by that point, you know, you're sort of safe. Hannah Berry was pretty comfortable in second. Lottie was sort of holding out for a while, but then Hannah got the job done, kind of ran solo the whole time, as did Lottie. The front three women just had solo runs for the full run. The interesting person that was shifting on the run was Tamara Dewitt. speaker-0: 242 I saw. ⁓ my gosh. Yeah. Amazing. speaker-1: I'm by this Trevor though. It's quite easy to run really fast. ⁓ speaker-0: I could run whatever, 10 minutes faster if I like to eat, like yeah, but still really could run. speaker-1: I mean, it's incredible run. And it took her all the way up to fourth place for a while. It like she was going to get Lottie Wilms as well to take third. Yeah. Yeah. She only like a minute 20 come the end. Wow. So she really shifted up the field. All in all, I thought it was actually a really good performance. speaker-0: Half marathon splits by chance. speaker-1: I don't think I'm pretty even because she was kind of yeah she was pretty even one speaker-0: So the women are much even, more even than the boys. speaker-1: They're just more sensitive. speaker-2: 122 and 242 so she ran negative split speaker-0: Wow. I mean the guys are like... speaker-1: But when you speak to the women, when you speak to the women, they're like physiotherapists, lawyers, doctors, stuff like that. When you speak to the boys, it's like they're fucking Lionel Saunders and Trevor Foley. speaker-0: My dog. speaker-1: Yeah, so that's why I think you get the even. So it's just the it's just literal brain volume is what it is, mate. ⁓ speaker-0: You speaker-2: In the end, had Katrina Matthews win the race, get 5,000 points, second place Hannah Berry, third place Lade Wilms, and fourth place Tamara Jewett. Those four got Kona Slott. Slott already had hers, and so did Danielle Lewis in fifth, so the last slot rolled down to sixth place for Regan Holyoke today. speaker-1: So a run course record for Tamara Dewitt, like another sort of top 10 fastest Ironman splits of all time by a female. She's got a couple in there now. Kat Matthews best course. speaker-2: Course record by 12 minutes over Chelsea Sadaro back in 2024. speaker-1: Yeah, it's a slightly different course. also obviously Hannah and Lotto would have got that course record as well and nearly tomorrow as well. yeah. speaker-2: No course record for you, Trev. Did you not care about that? speaker-0: I didn't really care and then I found out that the bike course is way harder now so it's like, ah, it's a course record dude, chill. speaker-1: Yeah, fine. think... You're saying the girl's like massively overachieved. speaker-0: Exactly. But also it's core, like, I mean, I Mark Charles, like who cares about times? No, I don't. Like it's fun, but like. speaker-1: I say it because we do a podcast, honestly, I don't actually a kind of nice benchmark. speaker-0: It's nice benchmark for somewhere like Kona where it's like the same course all the time. But like if the course like Chattanooga is like it was a different bike course last year, this is a different bike. Like it's so hard to say. speaker-2: First Iron Man at 20 meters, I'd love to hear you guys' thoughts. speaker-1: I'm a fan. speaker-2: What was your favorite part? speaker-1: when I was on the front, I didn't get distracted by knowing people behind were having an easier ride. I felt it was, everyone was working hard and the times when, ⁓ you, you know, it was challenging. You could feel like you weren't just being dragged along. You were still working hard too. I just felt, it felt overall honest. think someone said earlier and I like it. Yeah. Yeah. Not that Jimmy said that to me, actually. Jimmy Rick, I was down here. He said honest. was the word he was using. speaker-2: was here. speaker-1: and then he explained very typically not fair because fair implies that it was unfair before which we've explained in great detail why it wasn't but honest kind of gives this like it's your work effort that you're putting in. speaker-0: Another especially especially this race I was talking to Lionel this morning about the road kit like with the road conditions how bumpy it was like even at 12 meters for probably getting a very little draft anyway just because in a roller consistency is so high and 20 meters nothing like nothing so it was nice speaker-2: It was funny. This is a funny story. I was talking to Jimmy about this and he did bring up the fairness versus honest. And he was like, well, you think that I'm just going to go be like, I can't be an NBA basketball player. That's not fair. I'm five foot six. speaker-1: Yeah, he said that me the hoop should be six foot. The hoop should be Like that would be good argument, right? speaker-2: should be six foot be more fair. And I'm yeah. Yeah, it was really nice. I'm, I'm, I'm glad that he was here also just to instruct everyone and everything that's going to happen with the new rules. It's going to be awesome. He's going to be there next week at Dallas too, just to make sure that everyone understands like this is 20 meters now. speaker-0: It was nice he was here. All normal professional racists have a race ranger now. speaker-2: Not all, most, I believe was the... speaker-0: Like one day. Yeah. But most. That's awesome. speaker-1: So going through some of the women, happy? Yep, successful trip. And how do you feel for Geelong? Was this a big load compared to other Ironmans? What were you saying? I think it was a big load for where I'm at in training at the moment. Perfectly adequate. And I don't know how my body is going to feel in a few days, but today it feels optimistic. I would say you're walking better than I'm used to seeing you. You're less needy today than you are after some Ironman races. I've got no niggles, which is unusual. Yeah, that is good. And skin health is another thing that people don't really talk about for an Ironman. Like if you get horrendous chafes, saddle sores, cuts and stuff to then turn around to race in a couple of weeks is actually really brutal. So that's a nice place to be going down. Hannah Berry's got to be happy with that. I think deep down she knew that it was a big ask to win the race, but taking a pretty solid second place, good points. didn't lose that much time. Yeah. You still scored what? 2,590 or something. So good point. 4,590. Aloti Wilms again, Kona slot stamped, good Kona points, didn't get run down. Tamara Dewitt again happy with the race. I think Regan Hollyoak is probably a bit disappointed. She was one of the names. speaker-2: That's a lot saw she was amped appointed. Yeah, he was amped at the Awards. I yeah speaker-1: I saw her last night and she just seemed she was a bit like, meh. But okay, cool. Maybe a sort of personal but on reflection like I think what Kona qualification at this stage of the year is the prime. speaker-2: Yep. Right. Two DNFs, Maya Staj and Steph Klerbuck. speaker-1: Well, there's stuff from the show so people will be more interested. On a, maybe on a, on to a more positive note, Jocelyn McCauley finishing and announcing her pregnancy. Hashtag pregnant. speaker-2: Oh, she announced it. Oh, wow. speaker-1: Yeah, or we're breaking the news, but either way. No, it's on Instagram. I saw we were sat at me and cover sat on the curb right. And Jocelyn just is walking past and I was like, Jocelyn, what are we doing? And she looks at me, she's like, ⁓ I don't know. And she was like on lap one. I think you guys were about to come into the finish. speaker-2: Okay, good. What are you doing? speaker-0: Yeah, we she cheered us on as we ran by. She's awesome. speaker-1: Yeah, that's nice. But what was her time? speaker-2: 11 hours and 13 That's a long day. 445. speaker-1: ⁓ was the, ⁓ she also had a, had a puncture as well. It's just sat by the road with fray. speaker-2: But she's not gonna be racing for a while. So that's good for her and that's pretty much what she said She was like, I don't know when I'm be racing again. So speaker-1: Yeah, and Steph just had some issues at the start of the swim, some of the recurring health stuff, got back riding, got super dizzy on the bike, called it a day and my stage drops in the run, but I'm not sure. I don't know how, I don't know if she was run healthy to start with, but whatever. Hot takes, race, something. ⁓ speaker-2: Broke Did you get about 20 meters? speaker-0: Yeah, that's good. Awesome. speaker-1: Broadcast. This is feedback from Pat. ⁓ Yes, all right, they missed the start of the men's race. And it does feel like the first race of the season is always going to have some issues they did last year. And yes, they did miss the swim start of the men's race. But from what I've saw of the broadcast and what Pat has reflected on, it being on YouTube, easy to access for everyone. Super positive. speaker-0: How was the live chat? speaker-2: Was it cool? Yeah, it was really good. you being able to talk to like that. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, the live chat was good on YouTube to have that working. speaker-0: Iron Man should have a segment where when it gets boring in middle of the bike or something, bring on a live caller. speaker-1: as long as it's not cat's dad, we wouldn't get him off the call. Yeah. John would just dominate. He's a huge fan of the show. speaker-2: No, he would want to talk the whole time. There's 255,000 views on the YouTube channel. can see it. It's insane. speaker-1: 255. That is absolutely massive. And then other things that were positive, all the adverts had the coverage running on two screens. So there wasn't just an advert. It was an advert with coverage without commentary. Yeah. I thought Will McCloy was really good. I thought he hosted it well. thought Brittany was good. I think maybe we had few too many guest voices on. It was a bit hard to tell who was doing what and some were a little bit screechy. would just, I would describe it as. speaker-2: I did like that they had like an alternative commentary team down on the ground with like Haley Chura and Tim Reed. thought they were speaker-0: was really excited to do it. speaker-1: And she herself said she's got a lot to learn, but she was really happy with the job. I said good job to her afterwards. It's hard, know, because I think... Trev, we've said this before, like when me and Kyle did the short course for an hour, it was real hard for an hour. Imagine doing it for eight hours. speaker-0: So I can't imagine it's so hard. Especially like our three the bike it's like well, it's like yeah, it's like what do you talk about like? speaker-2: That's a long F &A. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. I also think there is a time and a place to just show the men's race for a while or just show the women's race for a while. Yeah. And I would suggest the last lap of that race, just show the men's race. Right. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, for the last half of the minute. Yeah, just show. speaker-2: They kept going back to the women's race whenever we're trying to watch a battle unfold with Matt Hanson, Trevor and Pierre. speaker-0: you could easily, or whatever, whoever the winner is, could easily show the last lap of the women's race too. Like, it'd be same, same. speaker-1: ⁓ And also there'll be times where the women's race is better. If you've got KB just out front or someone or Trevor Foley out front, then swap it. Why would they need to focus on one? Why can't they have a small... They could just do the screen, but it's like the commentating and stuff like that. We're back to Lottie Williams or whatever. speaker-0: We'll throw KB in the- speaker-2: They could do a split screen. speaker-0: Kona haven't, like there's gonna be a girl broadcast and a guy broadcast. speaker-2: That's a rumor. speaker-1: Girls and guys broadcast supposedly and then a central one. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Wow. Two helicopters in the sky. Right. So that's the coverage. I thought that was really positive. speaker-0: like the other three. speaker-2: Yeah, there's a lot of people that are still mixed about it. So if you're listening to this podcast and you're like, you guys need to rail, it's like, bro, it's the first race of the season. Let's see. speaker-1: That's a really good point. Like, yeah, it wasn't perfect. And we'll leave and said, you know, he's got a lot to learn. think they've made some positive changes. I'm looking forward to seeing if it, if it improves. Yeah. Yeah. Some of the timing splits for a bit now, you know, like we lost Carl Smith off the tracker for a while. There still isn't a live GPS product. I don't know why the athletes had to put timing chips in that. Was that for the list? speaker-0: They have some new graphics it looked like. Yes, so what for? did we in the? Under ankle. speaker-1: So for the listeners, you had a timing chip, but a normal timing chip in the the hat for swimming. I don't really know what that did. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: I put mine in the back of the... I put it in the GPS tracker that WEN makes or... in the back and then I just took it out, was running to my bike and then put it in my swim cap. Like when I set it down. Or you guys didn't have any doubt. We had two, we had one on my ankle as well. speaker-2: Speaking of when, before we get to... speaker-1: No, it was nothing. It was pointless. Yeah. Wow. speaker-2: Yeah. Speaking of when before we get to hot takes, Trevor, you are a free agent going into this season. What made you decide to go with win for this upcoming 2026 season? speaker-0: Because I push a lot of power and I've never been in the wind tunnel so the least I could do is ride the fastest kit. Save some watts. yeah and I have Sophia and I also have a big age group team like mainly in America but all around the world and as we build that team and community it's really important for us like to make it you know all encompassing of a team like we really want to have team kits and shirts and hoodies and all that fun stuff and Winter Republic is like a really easy option for us. So now All the Foley Athletics people have like sponsor correct kits that are same as mine, purple, white, win, blah, blah, blah. Super cute, fun, it's awesome. speaker-2: And if you want to get 15 % off when visit the show notes and use the link to direct you there. speaker-1: And Luke Mackenzie's actually sat in the house, definitely listening into this. He really needs you to go buy some stuff because he had to pay out three sponsor bonuses yesterday, two Ironman wins and a second place with Hanna Berry. speaker-2: And this sick pad that we've been in all week. speaker-1: And a house that he's put us up at all week that is extortionate. yeah, help over to win for that. So we're not sponsored by them, but on shoes had a good day as well. Kat Matthews debut in the ons with the duck. The whole men podium was on. Yeah. Big day for them. speaker-0: That's a really nice spot. and a men podium suite. speaker-2: Hot take. Abu Dhabi has just now been postponed for the WTCS for this season. This is kind of like a two-part thing. ⁓ One, is T100 sitting here kicking themselves for going in a gender-only race? speaker-1: Thank you, USA. ⁓ Can I tell you why they are absolutely kicking themselves with a bit of breaking news? T100 are kicking themselves because 70.3 G long Christian Blum have helped. Jellegeen's Hayden Wild is on the start list. 70.3 World is kicking off with, yeah, you didn't fancy that. speaker-0: Man, I'm glad I didn't take that. No, bro. ⁓ speaker-1: So that, mean, they're kicking off that at the same time T100 are doing a women's only racing Gold Coast. Yeah. speaker-2: Also at the same time, why didn't T100 raise their hand and be like, ⁓ we could just move the WTCS race here? That's obviously logistically, that would be pretty challenging, but. speaker-1: Yep. I don't know. think there was something they could have done with it, but it's a bit of an awkward situation. know, the whole region's at war. They obviously have to cancel it. And then they are dealing with multiple organizations. know, T100 don't really run WTCS, even though it's, you know, they're kind of all coming under the umbrella next year. They don't at the moment. So they've kind of got a bit of a rocky start to the season now. The short course do. speaker-2: So now it seems that Ironman's opened up registration now for maybe Geelong and Oceanside for short course athletes that want to. speaker-1: I think I'm off. speaker-0: That's what thought. speaker-2: Well, maybe they're going to go throw through the way. speaker-1: Do think Oceanside's full of Hayden Wilde and some of these boys want to go do- speaker-0: not get me started on how certain people should have priority and certain people should. Like yeah, if you're hate a while and like you're a top athlete like that, for sure you should be allowed on the start list. Like whenever you want. Like you're going to get canceled by like half of American pros. speaker-2: No we're not. speaker-1: No, no, God, I don't. But half of the North American pros can't break six hours for a 70.3. So Hayden Wild gets the start. speaker-0: Absolutely. speaker-2: And their USAT is changing the qualification to be a USA professional athlete. So there's going to be a lot of non-American professional athletes. speaker-0: I mean, it needs to be way harder. yeah, we don't need to limit field sizes. We just need to limit professional athlete status. speaker-1: So having just dropped that Hayden Wilds going to race Geelong. I feel a bit sorry for KB. I've just said it. Hayden Wilds racing Geelong. I feel a bit sorry for KB. He's just tanked in an Ironman two weeks later. He's going to go get lined up and they got a high pit and then it will be like, ⁓ Hayden, like KB gets schooled by XYZ. Now Hayden's speaker-2: Is Hayden Ratt wild racing Geelong? speaker-0: Maybe he he was speaker-2: Imagine if Matt Houser also threw up his hand and was like, I'll do a 70.3. Or Alex E. Alex E.'s already down there. They throw their hands up. They're like, I'll do a 70.3. speaker-0: I think KB wins. He recovered from the sickness. He was firing in his YouTube video. He talking confident. I think he... speaker-1: Do you know who had bad luck? Well, I think it definitely went if yellow gains hunt chickened out of his first Ironman of the year, dodged New Zealand as he was meant to be doing. speaker-2: Texas is more staff. speaker-1: No, he took him out, He saw you on the start. speaker-2: He didn't want to race you, Trev. speaker-0: Yeah. Hey, he actually gave me a shout out on a spot. speaker-1: We really like him. His podcast is great. I'm winding them up. That's big news. Any more hot takes? speaker-2: Pro series has to stay down here in New Zealand now. speaker-1: Well, because Trevor's just told the mayor that he's coming back 12 years in a row. It'd be nice. speaker-0: Yeah, literally I talked to the mayor for 10 minutes. speaker-1: He said he's coming back for 12 years in a row. So Iron Man could really do with this. We will come back every year. speaker-0: I'd get back every year, but also too. It's so nice to have like an early season March race just to get things started like Texas is great, but it's this nice start things a bit earlier. Yeah speaker-1: It's also like a teaser in. You don't necessarily want to start with the absolute bomb because it gives their media teams time to sort stuff out. It gives the atmosphere to build a little bit. If you started with the starters we've got in Texas, which is basically all the best Ironman athletes in the world, minus Sam Laidlaw. speaker-0: Last year it was a bit you had like Texas cans Frankfurt placid all within like five weeks of each other Yeah, now this is much nicely my nicer spaced out. So I think it works out better speaker-1: I agree. speaker-2: I like that and it's a beautiful place to come down here to New Zealand. There's more things to do than just triathlon ⁓ speaker-1: ⁓ aren't you going to a Kiwi Sanctuary? speaker-2: Kiwi sanctuary. You go to the spa baths. speaker-1: Kyle is the most bitch-worked person I've ever met. means that he just does whatever his missus tells him to do. I wouldn't say tells, I'd say like heartedly suggests and Kyle enthusiastically agrees. That's true. ⁓ speaker-2: I am also ADHD so I'm like, ⁓ we get to go do this today? Hell yeah. speaker-0: we can play Fortnite every night next week I'm good that's all good She's staring at me. She's like there. speaker-2: She's throwing darts at us right now. speaker-1: My favorite thing that I'd describe, I'd describe Kyle as very trainable. ⁓ speaker-0: You speaker-2: I'm like, like, golden retriever speaker-1: Right. Anymore hot... Three on Tuesday. Anymore hot takes. Kat, you got any hot takes? speaker-2: listener submitted hot take. Kat is the most consistent athlete in the world we've ever seen. speaker-0: Ooh, hot, ooh, sorry. speaker-1: It's only been a couple of years. speaker-0: Very consistent. That's my favorite trait about you. speaker-1: Is that really like a compliment? Consistent but can never win? You've won a... you won seven IMAs. the world champs. Alright, you've come second at a lot of world champs. You've got to find what drives you, right? And I guess right now it doesn't... it's not complimentary. speaker-0: I think it's great. I think it's great. Like I'm not a very consistent person and I strive to be consistent. Like I think it's great. Like having the names like Christian and all those people that show up every time. Like Magnus, like I love Magnus. Like every time that guy shows up he's always gonna be a factor. Like he's just awesome, like just dialed and that's how you are. Like you just show up and you're always in the thick of it. speaker-1: Okay, well thank you to a listener and Trevor. speaker-2: Hot take, Kat? Do you have one for us and we can talk about? speaker-1: No, I love the pod I don't have anything at moment, I've got no... speaker-2: Trevor, anything else you want to say? speaker-0: Nah, you already got me in trouble with the start list stuff. Probably got all these North American guys gonna need my DMs now. speaker-2: What do mean? speaker-1: Are you a dweller? Is that going to play on your mind for the next... Nah. speaker-0: No, no, actually not, but I'm just gonna have some guy DM me. speaker-1: Yeah, but then just reply. You didn't realize I'm Trevor Foley, Get out my DMs. I'm the pro series leader, Trevor Foley. I'm a pro series leader. speaker-2: You guys want to tell the people what's next? What are doing next Trevor? Have you figured it out yet? speaker-0: Yeah, I'll probably just do a few local 70.3s like normal in America and then build up for Happy Valley and like Placid as the next two pro series races speaker-2: Are you gonna do a local Olympic distance non-draft race as well? speaker-3: Shit. speaker-0: I will do 70.3 Florida and you told me Morgan Pearson. speaker-2: local. speaker-0: Bro, honestly though, I do want to win 70.3 Florida, because it's my home race, but like I said, you told me Pearson's coming and now I probably can't win, so that kind of sucks. I'm going to get second, I guess. speaker-2: Yeah, Morgan did say you were kind of lucky yesterday, so. ⁓ speaker-1: Morgan needs to turn up to a race, they? These are real good, I think. speaker-0: He's a great athlete. He's our, our, these are top. speaker-2: He's our only hope at an Olympic medal. speaker-0: And he's our top long course guy right now. speaker-1: I mean, you are. speaker-0: I get that you count to 100 as long course? No. Okay. He's our top. speaker-2: Middle distance. T100 is middle distance. speaker-1: It's nearly middle of drafting distance. speaker-0: It's been a good podcast. ⁓ speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: Well, thank you all for listening. We will be back to ⁓ yeah speaker-1: next. I'm flying to Geelong on Monday and with the aim to either travel home via an unknown route or raise 70.3 Geelong in two weeks time. speaker-2: So you are going to Geelong, you just don't know if you're a racing... After that, defend your three times title at Texas? speaker-1: She's racing. She doesn't have a choice. I'm like 90 % racing. Yeah, there has been a few moments this morning where I thought, ⁓ goodness, maybe I shouldn't do the pro series whatsoever, I just need to, you refocus. But ultimately, I will strive to be in Texas for sure. speaker-2: Sweet. And if you're wanting to come to another live show, you can do that at Ironman Texas Thursday before the race. Thank you all for listening and we will catch you on the next one.